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ATB flaming Paul van dyk on his forum! (pg. 11)
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| montana |
umes23, give it a rest, what are you, pvd's lawyer?
i respect paul & andre as musician,
the differance between atb & pvd is was that atb got his big break during the trance boom of '99 while pvd has did stuff before that and got more respect that way. but you know what, that has nothing to do with this.
this kinda childish beheaviour does no good for he genre, pvd has no (real) reason to bash atb anymore.
now i know that you gonna reply and say that pvd has the rights to bash him because his chart hits, well you know what, your favourite lil' pretty boy isn't better himself, pvd makes videos, pvd makes cheesy radio edit, nowadays pvd is not underground (in any ing way).
just give it a rest |
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| umes23 |
| quote: | Originally posted by TeKnoHe@d2025
Ok, so G&D do use similiar basslines. BUT, they have way more variety than PvD will EVER have. Seriously, G&D have remixed everything from rock to hip-hop and made it sound good. There are not many artists out there that have done this correctly.
That's odd...because in that same sentence I see "as an artist and (spelling correction) as a DJ". Thus the subject are those two topics, in which I am referring to one of those topics. :rolleyes: |
okay the first thing:
i like G&D very much, and am saying that despite OBVIOUS repetitions of sounds in the BEATS (NOT THE BASSLINE), their music is not trite... and i feel the same way about paul's. and by the way claps and hats are beats, not a bassline.
Paul van Dyk's remix of U2's elevation is an example of a great remix of a rock song that on it's own didn't stand out too much.
and he did use rock and hiphop elemetns in reflections only for everyone to hate him for it.
as for the second thing, here is cut and pasted what i wrote:
"...because paul van dyk is only in the process of pushing himself as an artist, an as a DJ, he might be repeating tracks for a few months but he is still a master at what he does."
the one mistake is after teh word artist, which should be "and" not "an". the first part of the sentence refers to him as an artist, the second part following the COMMA after "DJ" refers to his DJing, including the "master at what he does" phrase.
do i have to teach you basic grammar now????? |
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| vmc |
| PvD should rather concentrate on making some new remixes (not reworks) rather than bashing others for nothing, especially in personal. He don't like ATB's style - ok, nobody tells him to, but his behaviour sounds childish and uneeded. Futhermore, as a DJ and producer Paul went higher than Andre in sense of popularity, so he shouldn't be jelaous os something, therefore I don't undestand why he bashed Andre that way. I like the man because of music he plays so I'll still be a fan of his but come on, this flaming sounds rediculous |
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| umes23 |
i can give it a rest when i decide i dont want to make the effort to penetrate ignorance once again. and no, its not that atb has chart hits... its that he makes exactly the kind of crap that hits. (first off i have not followed charts for years so i dont even know whats going on with that) occasionally, good music climbs to the top too. not the case for ATB. i dont give a damn about paul's music videos....they are very poorly directed and quite frankly make him look stupid. these same clips from his videos ruined the video aspect of the Global DVD for me. the dance music scene does not have the attention of proper music video direction. pvd is NOT underground... he has been trying to break this kind of music out of the underground in an international context to show that it's good for something in a musical sense, not just for kids who do drugs at parties and enjoy the lasers and pounding bass while they're mashed or tripping.
| quote: | Originally posted by montana
umes23, give it a rest, what are you, pvd's lawyer?
i respect paul & andre as musician,
the differance between atb & pvd is was that atb got his big break during the trance boom of '99 while pvd has did stuff before that and got more respect that way. but you know what, that has nothing to do with this.
this kinda childish beheaviour does no good for he genre, pvd has no (real) reason to bash atb anymore.
now i know that you gonna reply and say that pvd has the rights to bash him because his chart hits, well you know what, your favourite lil' pretty boy isn't better himself, pvd makes videos, pvd makes cheesy radio edit, nowadays pvd is not underground (in any ing way).
just give it a rest |
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| umes23 |
nobody should assume they know anything. if you can't produce a verifiable quote, it wasn't said. and i would not take ATB's word for it.... i have seen him mentioned on the record by PvD...and it was not like it has been made out to be.
if the information isn't verifiable, its MISinformation....
back to the tabloid syndrome!
| quote: | Originally posted by vmc
PvD should rather concentrate on making some new remixes (not reworks) rather than bashing others for nothing, especially in personal. He don't like ATB's style - ok, nobody tells him to, but his behaviour sounds childish and uneeded. Futhermore, as a DJ and producer Paul went higher than Andre in sense of popularity, so he shouldn't be jelaous os something, therefore I don't undestand why he bashed Andre that way. I like the man because of music he plays so I'll still be a fan of his but come on, this flaming sounds rediculous |
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| umes23 |
okay, now i am going to give it a rest.
there's nothing more to be said. |
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| DJ Dingel |
| It's amazing how everyone can post stuff like "it's totally inappropriate for PvD to bash ATB like that," when I'm the only one who has actually posted a quote on the subject. All of the bashing we've heard from PvD is specifically in context about being dubbed "Leader of the Trance Nation" by Muzik back in 1999 and his dislike of subdividing the electronic dance music genre. Find me a quote where he says "ATB really sucks, he's inferior to my amazing abilities" and then I'll hop on the "PvD is arrogant" bandwagon. |
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| umes23 |
exactly man,
VERIFIABLE information is the ONLY useful kind here....
peace. |
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| jp |
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Often labelled ‘king' of trance, do you ever feel the need to excuse yourself for trance's crimes?
"No, because it's not the music style trance that's made the crime, it's basically been producers like ATB who are doing bull music, and the record labels coming up and labelling it as trance. I don't like labels, there's just good and bad records. Some of them I can't stand and, funnily enough, most of them last year got labelled trance. So obviously I don't want to be the leader of the trance nation when all the records that I actually hate get labelled as trance music. But I don't have to excuse myself because I always say what I want to say and I always play the music I want to. I've never made any compromises."
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http://www.ravesafe.org/cultureclub...D_Interview.htm
In German interviews Rocco and Scooter are mentioned...
Paul is obviously very annoyed by what they produce, although it's more a German thing I think. This year was full of cheap 80's remakes in German dance charts... |
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| umes23 |
Question: "Often labelled ‘king' of trance, do you ever feel the need to excuse yourself for trance's crimes?"
PvD's answer: "No, because it's not the music style trance that's made the crime, it's basically been producers like ATB who are doing bull music, and the record labels coming up and labelling it as trance. I don't like labels, there's just good and bad records. Some of them I can't stand and, funnily enough, most of them last year got labelled trance. So obviously I don't want to be the leader of the trance nation when all the records that I actually hate get labelled as trance music. But I don't have to excuse myself because I always say what I want to say and I always play the music I want to. I've never made any compromises."
JP, thx for digging that out... it was the only time i had heard pvd mention ATB publicly.
in my opinion, nothing said there was childish...it was actually said very professionally...and the only thing he could have done to spare ATB would be not to mention him. but that would remove the essence of his point...he made this point when 9 pm was massive... explaining why "trance" is a bad label for him, because he doesn't even like what is considered "the best" of it, eg. ATB-9pm.
this is honesty.... u can't blame him for it. |
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| TeKnoHe@d2025 |
| quote: | Originally posted by umes23
as for the second thing, here is cut and pasted what i wrote:
"...because paul van dyk is only in the process of pushing himself as an artist, an as a DJ, he might be repeating tracks for a few months but he is still a master at what he does."
do i have to teach you basic grammar now????? |
This is getting really odd now! I look back at your sentence and I do not see all those commas. It seems you are the one who needs to be taught a lesson or two in grammar. :rolleyes:
Here is the cut and paste of what you REALLY wrote:
| quote: | | time will tell and hell no, pvd-haters will not see the satisfaction of his career going downhill in the next 5 years because paul van dyk is only in the process of pushing himself as an artist an as a DJ, he might be repeating tracks for a few months but he is still a master at what he does. |
So, are you going to give me credit for my statement yet or will you continue to make an ass of yourself?  |
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| Dinaire Force 1 |
| lets talk about that pic of tiesto with the blondes more, his grin is priceless, lol |
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