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| Massive84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Vigilante
I come from Australia, a country that supported the US in Iraq, despite overwhelming public outcry and opposition to it. People oppose the war in iraq because it is illegal, unjustified, and because politicians lied and deceived the public over the reasons for going there.
George Bush clearly stated that the reason for going to Iraq was because Saddam Hussein possessed WMDs and he was capable of using them against the US or supplying other rogue nations. This was also used by Australia's Prime minister, John Howard, to justify Australia's involvement in the War in Iraq . We now find out later that intelligence reports were inaccurate and misleading. We now find out that the reason for going to Iraq has suddenly changed to removing the evil dictator Saddam Hussein from power (a good thing, but illegal nonetheless) and giving the people of Iraq "freedom" :haha:
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ya its a joke now, seriously this adminstration of the USA is just a piece of garbage, and i really say george bush is a bit worse and more burtal than binladen.
Ya maybe flying an airplane in the WTC is something brutal, but i find bombing a whole nation bit more brutal, and ya if you say no it's because your probably a pro bush whore.
Now let me ask you this question
USA went with reasons, of WMD, it was a threat to the USA..now i know iraq has a long range missle called "Scud"
but that missle can't even reach france or england, so how the is that a threat to the USA?
Iraq has no b52 bombers eithers, actually they have no airforce at all since the first gulfwar, they have no weapons for the seas, so please someone explain me how geroge bush got the idea, iraq is a threat?
As for chemical weapons, well the inspectors didn't find any, and the bush neither, so really a threat?.
Ok so now bush said we made iraq a free country, saddam is gone, so did he do this now because he cared about the iraqis? he cares for suffering humans?
Well, let me ask you this, if Bush Cares about humans, why didn't he spend that 70 billion dollars in Africa?
In Africa more people sufferd, suffering and will suffer than there would be in iraq, seriously this is just about the oil and putting USA companies there so the weak and dieng US economy mite be safed. |
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| albertoR |
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
i really say george bush is a bit worse and more burtal than binladen. |
LOL, stfu
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| Boomer187 |
yea, time to play devils advocate.
and I always wanted to do these big quote things where you answer certain parts...:)
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
ya its a joke now, seriously this adminstration of the USA is just a piece of garbage, and i really say george bush is a bit worse and more burtal than binladen.
Ya maybe flying an airplane in the WTC is something brutal, but i find bombing a whole nation bit more brutal, and ya if you say no it's because your probably a pro bush whore.
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LMAO, you have a warped sense of the world...flying planes into teh WTC was not the only thing bin laden did.
and I said no, and i am the complete dichotomy of a bush whore.
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
Now let me ask you this question
USA went with reasons, of WMD, it was a threat to the USA..now i know iraq has a long range missle called "Scud"
but that missle can't even reach france or england, so how the is that a threat to the USA?
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I think you need to check on what WMD are, scud missiles are not them at all, those are missiles.
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
Iraq has no b52 bombers eithers, actually they have no airforce at all since the first gulfwar, they have no weapons for the seas, so please someone explain me how geroge bush got the idea, iraq is a threat?
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he received intel that they possessed the capabilities of producing biological threats and nuclear capabilities, which then could be smuggled into the US, or used on neighboring countries.
He also received a lot of pressure from 'God', and from Cheney to attack.
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
As for chemical weapons, well the inspectors didn't find any, and the bush neither, so really a threat?.
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A threat is the possibility of, I could threaten to shoot you, yet I don't have a gun. Does that mean I am not a threat to you? I oculd simply go out and get one later....or if I know for a fact the cops are coming for me, I could hide/destroy the gun.
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
Ok so now bush said we made iraq a free country, saddam is gone, so did he do this now because he cared about the iraqis? he cares for suffering humans?
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He did this because 'god' wants us to live free. and for the reasons cited above, threat to us, pressures....etc.
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
Well, let me ask you this, if Bush Cares about humans, why didn't he spend that 70 billion dollars in Africa?
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Africa is not the only place with humans. There are humans in south america, north america, asia, and even in parts of europe...using your logic we would have to get 70 billion dolars for them too.
he's trying to clean up the mess there and still try to profit form it.
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
In Africa more people sufferd, suffering and will suffer than there would be in iraq, seriously this is just about the oil and putting USA companies there so the weak and dieng US economy mite be safed. |
Its more than oil. and our economy is far from 'safed'.
for one, you are guessing, using what you hear on news and from your friends, and trying to use logic from that. therefore expect that you will come up with wrong conclusions. I doubt that most people will actually do the leg work involved to get real answers as to why something happened, it is much easier to guess.
I fall victim to the same thing. but what are we gonna do eh. We can vote, and I think we are gonna do that, so until then, I say to you, STFU..
ktnxbye. |
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| Massive84 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Boomer187
yea, time to play devils advocate.
and I always wanted to do these big quote things where you answer certain parts...:)
LMAO, you have a warped sense of the world...flying planes into teh WTC was not the only thing bin laden did.
and I said no, and i am the complete dichotomy of a bush whore.
I think you need to check on what WMD are, scud missiles are not them at all, those are missiles.
he received intel that they possessed the capabilities of producing biological threats and nuclear capabilities, which then could be smuggled into the US, or used on neighboring countries.
He also received a lot of pressure from 'God', and from Cheney to attack.
A threat is the possibility of, I could threaten to shoot you, yet I don't have a gun. Does that mean I am not a threat to you? I oculd simply go out and get one later....or if I know for a fact the cops are coming for me, I could hide/destroy the gun.
He did this because 'god' wants us to live free. and for the reasons cited above, threat to us, pressures....etc.
Africa is not the only place with humans. There are humans in south america, north america, asia, and even in parts of europe...using your logic we would have to get 70 billion dolars for them too.
he's trying to clean up the mess there and still try to profit form it.
Its more than oil. and our economy is far from 'safed'.
for one, you are guessing, using what you hear on news and from your friends, and trying to use logic from that. therefore expect that you will come up with wrong conclusions. I doubt that most people will actually do the leg work involved to get real answers as to why something happened, it is much easier to guess.
I fall victim to the same thing. but what are we gonna do eh. We can vote, and I think we are gonna do that, so until then, I say to you, STFU..
ktnxbye. |
i have no idea how to do these big quotes..anyway.
the innocent vicitms binladen made is sure not as much as george bush, and the immaterial damage as well..
Am not saying ya see george is bad, so binladen is good..no am not, am saying if you think binladen and his group are brutal, then george bush is just more brutal with his adminstration..if you say no? than your a selfish pro bush whore..period
you need to know, scud missle, is the best missle that can carry chemical or biological warheads.
and if that can not reach even europe..how is that a threat to the USA, as Collin powel claimed..
what proof did we see of that? ya intel? there was not even some verification..so you go to war just based on a "intel"? were talking about 24 million people here boomer.
free? what freedom? do you see any freedom in iraq now? the msg was ALWAYS first , we go to war due WMD with fake proof, and lies etc.. only when they didn't find , they go freedom now..sad isnt?
the mess USA started it self, if he is really a mess cleaner, why don't he go fix the mess in isreal? or the one he created in afghanistan, you do know its still a mess there..?
And good to see you mentioning more countries that suffer more than iraq..so i ask you once again, if he cares why don't he spend the 70 billion on those people? the 70 he spend only murderd people so far :rolleyes:.
and no i dont stfu for you :rolleyes:
ktnxbye |
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
i have no idea how to do these big quotes..anyway.
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just copy the first line of the quote, then add in the [ /quote] where you want their quote to stop and then you answer...
after you answer, paste the line you copied, and repeat the process. :).
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
the innocent vicitms binladen made is sure not as much as george bush, and the immaterial damage as well..
Am not saying ya see george is bad, so binladen is good..no am not, am saying if you think binladen and his group are brutal, then george bush is just more brutal with his adminstration..if you say no? than your a selfish pro bush whore..period
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I give bush this over bin laden, he at least told iraq he was coming. Not so much with the Bin Laden guy. He mainly attacked as secretively as posssible with a main goal of killing civilians and breaking down the united states.
you can see where Bush gets his brutality as you call it though. I mean 2 planes killed a lot of people in the WTC, and when you do that to a country with a large military force, expect a backlash.
So I ask of you, if you were in Bush's shoes and the whole WTC thing happens, what would you do?
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
you need to know, scud missle, is the best missle that can carry chemical or biological warheads.
and if that can not reach even europe..how is that a threat to the USA, as Collin powel claimed..
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thats only one possible means of attack. You need to think a little outside teh box as people like to say. most people said you could never tear down the WTC by bombing it....well they did something that used some outside the box thinking.
so think about it, a country with chemical and biological weapons, wanting to use it on a country, however their missiles cannot reach them, so you think they are going to throw theri hands up and say ohh well. maybe next time. doubt it.
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
what proof did we see of that? ya intel? there was not even some verification..so you go to war just based on a "intel"? were talking about 24 million people here boomer.
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are you talking about verifying intelligence? I don't think we have even the slightest inkling of a a clue as to how intelligence is filtered into the white house. So any guess as to verification or any procedure of that intel is a horrible guess.
and what 24 million people?
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
free? what freedom? do you see any freedom in iraq now? the msg was ALWAYS first , we go to war due WMD with fake proof, and lies etc.. only when they didn't find , they go freedom now..sad isnt?
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I don't think I understand what you mean by free. It is a hard term to define and there are varing degrees of it. from what I hear they are free from the rules of saddam. I guess we will have to wait til their new constitution is drafted to see how they define free.
and are you sure in that address to the nation that Bush only stated that we were going in to get WMD? I think I recall him mentioning how brutal of a dictator Saddam was and how he oppressed the iraqi people, so we should free them.
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
the mess USA started it self, if he is really a mess cleaner, why don't he go fix the mess in isreal? or the one he created in afghanistan, you do know its still a mess there..?
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he is not a mess cleaner, I said he is trying to clean the mess up in Iraq. and I think he is trying also to clean up the mess in Isreal, didn't he have conferences with them, and was supporting and denouncing certain actions....I don't really pay attention to that.
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
And good to see you mentioning more countries that suffer more than iraq..so i ask you once again, if he cares why don't he spend the 70 billion on those people? the 70 he spend only murderd people so far :rolleyes:.
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So your saying that any money we gather to help other countries, not our own I am assuming, should go to the worst off first. I don't know where it is written that we have to help any country, we choose to help them, we are selective in that, and then we catch cause we didn't help who you think we should.
Well I'll tell ya, I don't think the US can help every country, or every person suffering, and because we cannot we have to decide who to help. Bush decided to go to war with Iraq and do whatever, so now he is choosing to spend money there. are you saying forget that area, help people that are suffering more....I hope not.
it is hard to come by 70 billion dollars, and I think the people that do come by that much money should decide how to spend it. but thats me. maybe you think itis fine for others to tell people how to spend their money.
| quote: | Originally posted by Massive84
and no i dont stfu for you :rolleyes:
ktnxbye |
fair enough.
so in the end, I would just like to know what you would have done differently than Bush. I know I would have done things lot differently, but lets say you won the special lotto and you are now in command of the US, what would you do next? pull out of iraq, spend 70 billion on africa (and what would you spend 70 billion on?), pull out of every country we are in...take our companies out of every country?? |
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| Azz3D |
| robert you are a dumbass |
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| displaced |
| quote: | Originally posted by DiMethGuy
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lol! :stongue: |
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| Simcut |
Lol, you gotta laugh at the idiocy of some people, oh yeah, Bush is REAL bad isnt he, I dont seem to recall him deliberately organising planes to fly into 2 massive great skyscrapers killing 1000's of people, correct me if I'm wrong but Mr Bush hasnt done that.
Mr Bush may not be the best leader in the world, overall I thought Bill Clinton would've been better in the long run for America, how you can say Bush is scum and be in some way pro Bin Laden is a bloody disgrace!
As an englishman I'm sick and tired of the shoulder to shoulder routine with the Americans in Iraq, I think overall the Iraqi thing is the right method, but I just dont like what the terrorists have in store and as the UK are side by side I can see tragedy striking :( |
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| Boomer187 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Simcut
Lol, you gotta laugh at the idiocy of some people, oh yeah, Bush is REAL bad isnt he, I dont seem to recall him deliberately organising planes to fly into 2 massive great skyscrapers killing 1000's of people, correct me if I'm wrong but Mr Bush hasnt done that.
Mr Bush may not be the best leader in the world, overall I thought Bill Clinton would've been better in the long run for America, how you can say Bush is scum and be in some way pro Bin Laden is a bloody disgrace!
As an englishman I'm sick and tired of the shoulder to shoulder routine with the Americans in Iraq, I think overall the Iraqi thing is the right method, but I just dont like what the terrorists have in store and as the UK are side by side I can see tragedy striking :( |
well going from his logic, invading a country and killing over 10,000 civilians and ruining the what economic structure the country had is equally as bad as flying planes into buildings and killing 3,000 civilians.
kinda staggering if you put it in that perspective. and if you look at theri motives, there really is no difference.
it was hard to try to defend bush in my previous posts. The guy is a christian extremist, and that is dangerous. |
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