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Reasons for the Death of the Rave Scene
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| The Highroller |
Do you guys think that the death of the rave scene in North America is due to increased government legislation that makes it more difficult for raves to take place? Or maybe is it because North Americans are generally over their "E Honeymoon"? Or maybe is it both? Or something else?
This should inspire some good discussion.
*Disclaimer: Please no discussions on anti-smoking laws, liberals, hot asian girls, BMWs, or personal philosophies on life. Thank you. |
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| starsearcher |
| I used to go to raves when I was underage - primarily for that exact same reason. A lot of the parties are happening now in the big clubs and I think it's much nicer and safer as well (most of the times at least). I think especially in Canada we are also looking at some of the European examples and moving towards that same general idea. :D:thepirate |
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| AwakenedAddict |
Funny thing, I moved to toronto from california and then got heavily into EDM. It was not until I went back to cali for vacation that I attended my first rave. I guess you just gotta know a good group of ppl?
You would think that toronto, being more liberal, would be more likely to have raves. Cali is quite liberal, but it IS in the US :-/ |
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| DigiNut |
Many say that meth killed raves. I've never fully understood that supposition, but thought I'd throw it down anyway...
Personally, I think it's a combination of media attention, political lobbying, and changing demographics. But it doesn't seem like the rave scene is really dying here right now, it actually seems like it's just beginning to resurface. |
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| Kytracid |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
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GOLD !!! |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
Do you guys think that the death of the rave scene in North America is due to increased government legislation that makes it more difficult for raves to take place? Or maybe is it because North Americans are generally over their "E Honeymoon"? Or maybe is it both? Or something else?
This should inspire some good discussion.
*Disclaimer: Please no discussions on anti-smoking laws, liberals, hot asian girls, BMWs, or personal philosophies on life. Thank you. |
i don't think the scene is necessarily dying in North America .. infact I think it's growing .. take for example some of the large festivals that have been going on in other cities.. ie. Love Parade San Francisco, Cream/Tiesto in Concert Montreal, Monster Massive in LA, Halloween Massives in Vancouver and Seatle, WMC in Miami, PVD and Tiesto at Summerstage Central Park New York ..
i just think it's dying in Toronto ... why? a number of factors in my opinion .. particularly the rave protocols making it more difficult for promoters to find safe venues to host their events. changes in trends and demographics could be another possibility .. it seems like fewer of my brother's friends are interested in going to raves these days than there were when i was in highschool .. then again there doesn't seem to be as many raves for them to go to anymore period..
the whole EDM scene here seems to have receded into clubs .. and clubs seem to be the ones that have the power and control the way the scene is now in Toronto ..
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| j_spot |
-greedy djs breeding greedy promoters
-over regulation by governments who acted too soon before they fully understood what the problems were and how to fix them.
-I dont buy the drugs excuse because its generally teh older people whos "e honeymoon" dies. new kids will always fill their place.---That was the case until the music got weaker(ie water down less talented, feeds into the greedy dj/promoter category) |
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| Rodrico |
| Everything moves in cycles and while in North America its growing all together, Toronto's scene might of flared up just when alot of bad news about raves was just getting out to the public eye, and was stopped in its tracks. I guess you cant have the good old days, when anything underground becomes more of a mainstream, your going to have to adhere to the rules of mainstream. |
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| dEsidEL |
i recall back in the 90's Toronto was way ahead of a lot of US and Canadian cities in progressing the EDM scene in North America .. we had some amazing parties and a lotta talented promoters throwing some very creative events. we were even praised by DJs like Bad Boy Bill who was bigging up our ability to throw parties numbering in the 10-15,000 range.. and DJ Sneak who even decided to move here and start his own record company.
now after a 4 year massive absence, and the fact that which DJs and what parties we attend are decided by a handful of people, who knows when things will ever change here, but one thing's for certain, other cities in North America are catching up and we're falling behind fast.
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
But it doesn't seem like the rave scene is really dying here right now, it actually seems like it's just beginning to resurface. |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
i don't think the scene is necessarily dying in North America .. infact I think it's growing .. take for example some of the large festivals that have been going on in other cities.. ie. Love Parade San Francisco, Cream/Tiesto in Concert Montreal, Monster Massive in LA, Halloween Massives in Vancouver and Seatle, WMC in Miami, PVD and Tiesto at Summerstage Central Park New York .. |
But would you really call these "raves"? When I think of "raves", I think candy, E, '99, trance, PLUR, pink phat pants.
When I think of the massives of today, I think of: style, sex, funk, house, coke, meth, G, etc.
This brings me to another question: would you say E usage has gone down in the scene as usage of other drugs increases (in Toronto)? I think so. I also think that the attitude of the scene in '99 and the attitude of the scene now is totally reflected by popular drugs of the times.
No, I was not in the rave scene in '99, but I know many people who were and still party now that incline to agree with me. |
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| Rodrico |
| I dont know so much as falling behind, as we still generate way more bigger names here year round than most cities (exception Montreal), its just finding more venues and people to be excited about the genre again. The funny part about Toronto is the crowd is so diverse, its hard to corner any market here in the Clubbing business, too much variety and taste. |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by j_spot
-I dont buy the drugs excuse because its generally teh older people whos "e honeymoon" dies. new kids will always fill their place.---That was the case until the music got weaker(ie water down less talented, feeds into the greedy dj/promoter category) |
But a big reason, if not the reason for the explosion of the rave scene was this new wonder drug called "E" that everyone had to try. It's not really the "latest thing" anymore, so there aren't huge amounts of new people entering the scene. |
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