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Ontario BANS Smoking!! (pg. 11)
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Euphorica
Most are "letting " get away with this one because most want to see it gone! |
We'll see. I think the government has finally crossed the line with a lot of people on this one.
Apparently when health minister Smitherman was asked about what he thinks about the entertainment workers that will be out of a job his reaction was "I don't care"
Excuse me? Are you not supposed to represent the concerns of ALL citizens? You don't care about people like me who may have their jobs affected by this? Well i care. And I'm a voter.
Time to rid ourselves of this arrogant liberal government. |
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| MarkT |
here's a thought...this is not nearly as much about "rights" as smokers would have us believe...so let's get real for a moment and stop pulling punches in this debate :D
is this also about smokers fighting to maintain the status quo level of societal acceptance their physical addiction to a proven carcinogenic substance, that directly harms both themselves and those in their vicinity, currently enjoys?
does the passion of their fight actually underscore how serious this addiction is? are they fighting for their rights...or desperately clinging to how easy it currently is to feed an addiction?
Further, this harmful drug is legally and widely available across the country, taxed and controlled by the state, yet the health related consequences of it's use is ALSO PAID FOR BY THE STATE???
does no one else see how truly *ed up* this situation really is?
sorry...I'm more on the side of " smokers" than I am with those claiming the gov't is infringing upon rights :p
point to *any* other issue that is like cigarettes in EVERY one of the above mentioned ways...I challenge anyone...that includes you jayx1 and your silly comparison to pot which shares virtually NONE of the above ;)
it's about bloody time that the decision to ban public smoking has come down. yes, we should be free to essentially do as we please, so long as we don't harm others. well...smoking in public harms others...so feel free to smoke your ing brains out in the privacy of your own homes, smokers...cause soon that's the only place you'll be able to do it :D
lol...pretty extreme...but it's *at least* as valid a position as some of the people around here who are using business viability/economics, "rights", and the status quo as justifications for not curbing smoking ;) |
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| Jayx1 |
Mark: How are you hurting others by smoking in A DESINGNATED SMOKING ROOM where NON SMOKERS DO NOT HAVE TO GO?
Second, if public health care is going to be used as a tool to try and control behaviour that the government doesnt like such as smoking, or eating mcdonalds, or having unprotected sex, then i want an opt out option (along with lower taxes) so i can do as i please and pay for my own health care. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
here's a thought...this is not nearly as much about "rights" as smokers would have us believe...so let's get real for a moment and stop pulling punches in this debate :D
is this also about smokers fighting to maintain the status quo level of societal acceptance their physical addiction to a proven carcinogenic substance, that directly harms both themselves and those in their vicinity, currently enjoys?
does the passion of their fight actually underscore how serious this addiction is? are they fighting for their rights...or desperately clinging to how easy it currently is to feed an addiction?
Further, this harmful drug is legally and widely available across the country, taxed and controlled by the state, yet the health related consequences of it's use is ALSO PAID FOR BY THE STATE???
does no one else see how truly *ed up* this situation really is?
sorry...I'm more on the side of " smokers" than I am with those claiming the gov't is infringing upon rights :p
point to *any* other issue that is like cigarettes in EVERY one of the above mentioned ways...I challenge anyone...that includes you jayx1 and your silly comparison to pot which shares virtually NONE of the above ;)
it's about bloody time that the decision to ban public smoking has come down. yes, we should be free to essentially do as we please, so long as we don't harm others. well...smoking in public harms others...so feel free to smoke your ing brains out in the privacy of your own homes, smokers...cause soon that's the only place you'll be able to do it :D
lol...pretty extreme...but it's *at least* as valid a position as some of the people around here who are using business viability/economics, "rights", and the status quo as justifications for not curbing smoking ;) |
Right on the mark, Mark. :p Great post.
I'll reiterate that I thought the DSR's were fine and that I don't think it's a good idea for them to try to ban smoking in *all* public places, but I think you hit the nail on the head when you said it's mostly about social acceptance.
Since when is smoking a "right?" That makes no more sense than the "right" to health care or the "right" to a good income. |
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| MarkT |
^^^ :D :D :D
1. I actually do support smoking rooms...IN THEORY...in reality, from bars I've been in, I see bussers going in and picking up bottles, cleaning ash trays, etc. while people are in there smoking...that's not cool. Sure they might be "ok" with it...but if your employer says do it or else...and you don't want to...?
2. that's only a part of the argument...and if you want to also PAY for the cost of administering an opt out program, which I'd suggest will cost MUCH more than the taxes you think you'll save...OK! :D
seriously though...what I'm really getting at...WHY is this such an issue worth fighting for? smoking is an addiction...I maintain that as an evolving society, we should be looking for ways to curb and eliminate that which harms us...not look for ways to accomodate it. That's nothing more than my opinion though and doesn't justify anything.
I feel that there comes a time when subscribing to pure "rights" is not the best answer...some things are "good" things to do...slowly eliminating smoking in public is one of them, IMHO.
I walked outside of College Park yesterday at lunch...just as someone was exhaling their last puff of a cigarette RIGHT outside the door...I open the door to get out, they exhale, I got a face full of smoke as I came outside.
she's fortunate I was in a hurry to get back to work or I would have ripped her in front of the crowd of people for being such an inconsiderate bitch. instead I just loudly "thanked" her :rolleyes: |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
2. that's only a part of the argument...and if you want to also PAY for the cost of administering an opt out program, which I'd suggest will cost MUCH more than the taxes you think you'll save...OK! :D |
Perhaps it should be an "opt-in" program - although there is another word for that and it's called privatization. :D |
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| Durafei |
| How about banning McDonalds ? Have there been studies on cancer rates related to consuming McDonalds food? |
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| MarkT |
^^^ not addictive...not harmful to anyone other than the person eating it...can be easily consumed in moderation which is also relatively harmless.
not a good comparison at all. try again ;) |
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| OrZonE |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
I should be able to do so without freezing my ass off. |
No you shouldn't, your level of comfort is irrelevant.
I'm for the ban. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
^^^ not addictive...not harmful to anyone other than the person eating it...can be easily consumed in moderation which is also relatively harmless.
not a good comparison at all. try again ;) |
But you used the health care system as a reason to ban smoking. So by your logic, eating mcdonalds DOES hurt other people.
This is a valid response to your other post. |
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| The Highroller |
| quote: | Originally posted by OrZonE
No you shouldn't, your level of comfort is irrelevant.
I'm for the ban. |
Why, because I'm a smoker? Then kindly go yourself if this is what you think.
I'm done with this topic. I've given my point of view: I don't really give a anymore if people are being inconvenienced since people don't care if I'm being inconvenienced. I'm so sick and tired of being walked all over in this legislative process and I'm simply not going to follow this law anymore.
You ing go outside in the middle of January and tell me how much fun you had. I don't go out on friday nights to stand outside in a t-shirt, drenched in sweat, shivering my skinny ass off in the -40 degree weather. That's not my idea of a good time.
"Stop smoking"? No.
This is coming from someone who ALWAYS puts other people in front of himself first. This just goes to show you how ing fed up I am with this . |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
But you used the health care system as a reason to ban smoking. So by your logic, eating mcdonalds DOES hurt other people.
This is a valid response to your other post. |
here's what I posted:
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
...point to *any* other issue that is like cigarettes in EVERY one of the above mentioned ways...I challenge anyone.... |
so...no it's not a valid response. Healthcare costs are but one of many issues with smoking I brought up, yet are pretty much the only one relevant to McDonalds food. |
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