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Terrorists Attack London's Transportation System (pg. 12)
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| Fir3start3r |
| quote: | Originally posted by Magnetonium
Well, I am sorry I didnt write a long story to explain myself. I meant to say that Bush will use the terrorist attacks on its soul to bolster his popularity to fight mroe wars, just like 9/11. I dont want them to happen, but in reality, with Bush's popularity dwindling, I see no other solution ... just like before 9/11 his popularity was very low.
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That would have happened to any president that was in power at the time...
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I wish there were no wars in the world and no suffering. I am just predicting, thats all. Even Nostradamus is predicting as to what I am saying. Bush is a monster. He will do anything to go down as the Great president of US. I think we all have seen enough terror of his, and I still cant believe he got reelected. What were the American people thinking ... :disbelief |
Wishful thinking. "Wishing" there were no wars would be akin to sitting in the corner of a room, looking at the wall, ignoring the big wide world that's out there while crap is going on.
The fact is, America can't afford to sit on it's butt while others are being pushed around, asking for help.
While the U.S. may look like some kind of bully, they're more like our big brother. If it wasn't them, it would be someone else and personally, I'd rather it be them than say, China or some other country.
This is getting way off topic again.
I just heard from my buddy in England this morning; glad to hear that this family is all ok.
Lets hope they catch the rat bastards that did this... |
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| dEsidEL |
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Gigs cancelled
Last updated 08 July 2005
After the tragic events in London on Thursday 7th July, several shows in the capital have been cancelled or postponed.
Queen's show at Hyde Park on Friday 8th July will now take place Friday 15th July.
REM's show scheduled for Saturday, also at Hyde park will now take place on Saturday 16th July.
All tickets remain valid for the new dates but if you can't attend, contact point of purchase by 13th July for a refund.
Information line: 0870 060 1767.
The Super Furry Animals gig at Somerset House is going ahead.
REM's shows in Ipswich (8th July) and Cardiff (10th July) are unaffected.
The following gigs were cancelled on Thursday:
Sum 41 at the Astoria - Thursday 7th July
Queens of the Stone Age - Somerset House - Thursday 7th July
El Presidente - the Underbelly in Hoxton - Thursday 7th July
Blue - Wembley Arena - Thursday 7th July
Arrangements have been made which will guarantee ticket holders for the cancelled show will be able to attend the shows scheduled for either July 8th or 9th. Please bring your original tickets to be exchanged at the Wembley Arena Pavilion Box Office. Replacement tickets will be issued from the Box Office from 4pm on Friday and Saturday. You must bring your original tickets to be exchanged.
Nate James at the Shepherd's Bush Empire - Thursday 7th July
Rescheduled from Thursday 7th July 2005 to Wednesday 5th August 2005
All tickets remain valid or refunds from point of purchase
www.shepherds-bush-empire.co.uk
Prodigy at the London Carling Brixton Academy - Thursday 7th July
Rescheduled from Thursday 7th July 2005 to Sunday 7th August 2005
All tickets remain valid or refunds from point of purchase
www.brixton-academy.co.uk
Love at the Carling Academy Islington - Thursday 7th July
Rescheduled from Thursday 7th July 2005 to Thursday 14th July 2005
All tickets remain valid or refunds from point of purchase
www.islington-academy.co.uk
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| amb_ |
| quote: | | Originally posted by dEsidEL |
Note that WEMF should remain unaffected by this tragedy:
| quote: | RE: London's Terror Atack
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As of Thursday at 11:21 am we have spoken to all the UK Agents representing all artists coming from the UK to WEMF and have been assured that Heathrow Airport in London remains business as usual and all flights are still normal.
They do not feel that any artists will be deterred from attending the event.
Please give a moment of silence in your thoughts to the families and victims in London and then let’s celebrate the freedom we are fortunate to have hear in Canada, this weekend at WEMF.
See you all there - it’s going to be an amazing event!
OS & OV
VISIT WWW.WEMF.COM FOR ALL DETAILS |
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| Skipper |
"The Super Furry Animals gig at Somerset House is going ahead."
woohoo! |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
"The Super Furry Animals gig at Somerset House is going ahead."
woohoo! |
are u gonna be in London during the August Bank holiday ?
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
I'm not sure Shadowolf thinks that all Muslims are to blame. |
but he does seem to think that Islam, the religion, is to blame. |
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| Goashem |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cyrus King
Maybe i should have been more clear. With respect to the terrorist attacks that have been plagueing societies in the last 5 decades...when have you seen a muslim/middle eastern nation attack a european one.
The invasions you metnioned dont really have a correlation to the issue at hand.. its like me mentioning Persians conquering parts of greece. We al know there is no correlation there.
But when you look at the current situaiton.. you have the US occupying two muslim nations (iraq and afghanistan) and israel occupying the palestinians ( which is viewed as an american proxy state by muslims nevertheless), which isnt making that region all too happy. Along with that.. Britain was behind the US's back all the time.
Thats where im getting at. |
basically youre trying to say that the bombings are justified. |
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| SurrJRS |
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
but he does seem to think that Islam, the religion, is to blame. |
You can't single out just one religion. IMHO they are all to blame in needless violence against humanity.
EDIT: I'm not referring to everyone (read: good people) who practice some form of religion. I'm saying it's usually in the name of god/religion that wars are started/fought. |
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| zoogla |
Damn.
Net's not working at home so when I woke up around 2 pm yesterday with a fever, and my Mom told me what had happened in London, believe it or not despite having family that work in London, the first thought that entered my mind (being the postwhore I am) was what was gonna happen on the TOTA forum!!! LOL!!! I'm such a dweeb.
I called my cousin who goes through King's Cross station everyday and his wife told me he was visiting Pakistan so I was relieved. My family friend who was just in TO last week was getting a ride home from his friend when I called (cell phone was working fine at about 1 pm EST) so I was relieved at that too... Thank god they're okay and may God bless the souls that were lost and make for a speedy recover for those injured and give peace to the families that suffered a loss.
I knew there would be some reaction but at the same time I knew my beloved TOTAs (and though you guys aren't my best friends or anything I have the deepest connection with you and really care about what you say or think...) So I was expecting to read a few posts by Shadow and was pleased to see people defending Islam the way it should be.
Taking it from the top:
| quote: | Originally posted by TRANCEEEE
God says: "You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly. |
I guess what I'm about to say can be seen as a criticism of religion in general :nervous: being a (maybe not devout) but certainly practicing Muslim I think that is the equivalent of some serious blasphemy! :nervous:
That quote, when interpreted by the wrong people, leads to these disastrous results. Those extremists CREATED their own cause and label it as the "cause of Allah". That sucks for the rest of us because they manipulate people like Shadowolf into believing that this is really the cause.
So which interpretation is correct? The one of the peaceful, modern Muslims like me? I don't know. There are scholars of Islam in whose interpretation is embedded centuries of research and justification. I should be following those interpretations and that's what I'll refer to in a bit, but I'm too lazy to read their words and give the best translation/interpretation of the Quran. So I stick with MY interpretation (which is what most modern-day Muslims will say is the right thing to do). Honestly, based on the teachings and discussions I have at the mosque I attend and volunteer at every Friday, I've learned to feel slightly guilty about making my own misinformed and heavily western-biased interpretations. That being said, I know that there are EXTREMELY informed and VERY peaceful and loving interpretations of the Quran from scholars who represent the principles that I feel attached to. I hope that over the course of my life I will learn more about them (as my father was doing later in his life); but clearly one can see the importance of seriously being informed to engage in discussions like these.
| quote: | Originally posted by ShadoWolf
they're not extremists, they're just doing what their religion tells them to do:
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Islam is the problem. |
| quote: | Originally posted by yankeeBaby
I'm sorry for being completely ignorant to the Muslim religion, but are all those quotes that shadowwolf spoke of really in the Koran? or is he full of e? :conf: :conf: |
My dear Kelly, although Shadowolf does have interesting arguments and compelling (albeit biased) resources, most of his references are taken out of context (until there is a resource that shows the majority view of Muslims which I think he has accidentally revealed in the past) ;) All of the quotes, although you may find the translations, word-for-word in the chapters/verses that he notes, are taken out of context. There is a reason why each specific verse is in the Quran; to give Muslims direction or to deal with an issue in a fair and just (not always peaceful) way. There is tremendous material about the prophet Muhammad's answers to the Muslims of the time when they asked him questions about what a particular verse meant in the Quran. These are called "Hadith" and they help in the understanding of why something was said. In addition to this, there is something called "Tafseer" which gives the entire context of the verse; what was the situation at the time that led to the revelation of the verse (as we believe each letter in the Quran was revealed directly from God, via an angel (Gabriel) to Muhammad). Once the hadith and tafseer of a verse is studied, only THEN is one equipped to analyze and interpret a verse CORRECTLY and do it justice. Not just quote it at whim and use it to forward one's own views. I unfortunately haven't studied the Quran to that extent; I just know that this avenue exists but I would be happy to do so for anyone that has a specific question.
I asked Shadow to name one thing he'd like to pursue with me and I'll go through the right material to give him the best, most truest answer possible but I haven't heard anything from him yet.
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
p.s I hope muslims take over europe soon. :) |
| quote: | Originally posted by BrownTA4Life
my deepest sympathies to the victims,families and friends.
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LOL that's not really funny, hardcore, but I know you're being sarcastic just to point out how far from the truth Shadow is. Still, this is very sensitive so I'd stick in a :rolleyes: or a :p just to show people you aren't being serious...still, it's a joke that I wouldn't even imagine because we have so many friends all over the world that we would never want to be the victims of violence...and the "spread" of Islam through the way these terrorists are doing is something that will turn people away in disgust, not make them inquisitive of what the truth really is.
Brown, I love you for your passion!!!! Dude, you speak exactly the emotionaly anger that comes to every Muslim's or friend of a Muslim's mind when they read that crap, but still, neither you nor I would EVER lift a finger on any of these TOTAs because you know they wouldn't do the same to you! (unless they're drunk! :p) You KNOW this from personal experience, that physical abuse is the WRONG way to solve a problem; it should all be throughly dicussed and let the logic do the fighting. (yes, what's the logic when you can't even prove the existence of God; I'm not talking about that so you guys can just excuse me from that argument please! ;) :p) Of course, I mean the logic from the majority-held Quranic interpretations that would disprove the negative myths surround Islam.
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
no need to get all upset and threatening to shadowolf. we all know he has a way different vision of the world. we never have to see him or meet him in person so please don't get upset. |
I agree with Skipper, here, Margs, that it's okay to get upset and speak each other's mind even if you SAY you're going to get violent. But it's important to say something like, "If I didn't know any better, THEN I'd kick your..." But the discussion of politics is always welcome on this forum, isn't it? Huh, jayx1? ;)
| quote: | Originally posted by StereoPrincess
i think most of us know that Islam is not to blame for this and neither is Bush. We have to realize that there are people in all races that are animals. |
I dunno if that's really a fact, Margs. Several people here have already pointed it out and the jury's still out for me that the way the U.S. went about the response to 9/11 is really the best way. Nothing can justify terrorist attacks (not even terrorist attacks) but you have to dig a little deeper to understand why would the possibility of such attacks even come up, and what can be done in a PEACEFUL and FRIENDLY and TRUSTING way to eliminate that possibility, from the ground up...it's certainly not to install a U.S. imposed democracy!!!!
My Mom, being the old-fashioned Paki she is, HATES Bush, and did so even when his Dad attacked Iraq (even though we had to move from Riyadh when a couple of Iraqi SCUD missiles landed not far from where we lived). For her, it was the oil politics and greed that made her sick. That's another story, but the point is, despite disagreeing with Bush's ways, she is horror-stricken when she sees this response. Can Bush be to blame? Of course not, the terrorist actually pulled the trigger WITHOUT A GUN POINTED TO HIS HEAD because they were NOT in a war; they were in a peaceful country surrounded by innocent civilians.
My point is, for both my Mom and I it's the process we disagree with. We were watching the Fifth Estate on CBC last night (btw, the BEST most unbiased views that show both sides of the story with EXCELLENT sources is this program...MAKE SURE YOU WATCH IT if you want to understand these types of issues...HIGHLY RECOMMENDED ^5!!!!) and there was an analyst who mentioned that the underlying assumption for Bush's decision to raid Afghanistan and Iraq is that Terrorists have a command structure similar to a military. You have the head and you have the high to low rankings of officers. However, this international terrorist network (including al-Qaeda) doesn't follow this structure. The guys said it's like an "amoeba," always shifting in size and shape and never possible to permanent shut down.
My thought is that you can go for centuries and until you exterminate every citizen living in the country and expatriates abroad, you can't get rid of it. You have reconcile the violence with peace and love and friendship and most importantly you have to establish TRUST!!! This unfortunately can't happen until you have leaders that trust eachother and even if there is violence, you have to trust that the leader had nothing to do with it and is trying their best to eliminate that violence from within. General Musharraf, President of Pakistan, seems to be going that route (although his motives could be questioned) but that's the sort of thing we need to try and end this, not occupation of countries.
| quote: | Originally posted by rabbitjoker
I'm not sure Shadowolf thinks that all Muslims are to blame. |
Well, he doesn't single me out or any other Muslim but by saying Islam is the problem is like saying that Muslims in general are wrong to believe in Islam. Why would a common-sensical human believe in such a disgusting religion that supports terrorism? Shadowolf invalidates our beliefs, so yeah, your response to Margs is correct, but perhaps Margs' interpretation of Shadow isn't.
Okay, dammit, back to work...
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Oops, I see that Margs corrected her statement! :) |
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| SurrJRS |
| ^^^ holy fawk Fahad. Lay off the coffee or you may wear out your keyboard! :p |
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Awesome, Fahad. ^5
And yes, 5th Element is a great movie. One of my favourites. The Gaultier costumes are amazing! |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
are u gonna be in London during the August Bank holiday ?
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No...I was just kidding ;) |
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