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Utah Rave Ends in Tears (pg. 8)
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| tatgirl |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
Well actually...just to play the devil's advocate here...the person being brutalized, we don't really know what they did to desrve it right...according to that video the SWAT guys simply shut down the music and every thing was nice and peaceful up to that one violent incident.
The fact that they sent a SWAT team IS funny and definitely exagerated but I wouldn't go all out on the whole police brutality thing. |
Are you guys joking?? Playing devil's advocate? Video isn't good evidence? Maybe the initial moment wasn't caught on THIS tape, but it may be a good tool to show police brutality. After all, we can't tell who is on the ground, how much they weigh, or what sex they are.
Trust me, having seen what the police can and will do, this is gov't overreaction at its best. |
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| jon jon |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
You should all be proud of your country |
Aaron, please. How can you contest that the country involved in said incident can't be considered a factor in blame.
Like as if national boundaries don't play a part in domestic incidents. What am I supposed to ignore culture/environment in this case?
The generalizaion on my part was ridiculous, and uncalled for. Agreed. I didn't intend for the Americans (TA's) to have to justify the actions of every moron in their country. Just my lashing out I suppose. |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
Are you guys joking?? Playing devil's advocate? Video isn't good evidence? Maybe the initial moment wasn't caught on THIS tape, but it may be a good tool to show police brutality. After all, we can't tell who is on the ground, how much they weigh, or what sex they are.
Trust me, having seen what the police can and will do, this is gov't overreaction at its best. |
Well that's what I'm saying I have no idea who is on the ground or what they did... :(
Obviously SWAT team is overexageration...no doubt about that... |
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| tatgirl |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Appalling read, for sure. I don't doubt that there are two sides to the story, although there's precious little that could ever justify that kind of action.
That being said, I fail to see what justification there is for framing this as something that's representative of Americans or Republicans in general. And I certainly don't see why the Americans in this thread feel the need to defend themselves with silly platitudes about how they're "not all Republicans" and "look how close the election was". Is there any evidence whatsoever that George Bush or the Republican party were behind this incident?
You should all be proud of your country and not let hippie liberals try to intimidate you into apologizing for your fellow countrymen and women on the basis of this kind of an incident. One of the great things about your country is that people there are actually feeling this issue and making their voices heard. Hell, they're already filing lawsuits! I think there is no question that these crooked cops will pay, at least to some measurable extent, for what they perpetrated.
Does anybody protest this in Canada? No, we sit here and occasionally bitch amongst ourselves. Oh, and we wait until it happens to someone else and then use it to kick them while they're down and make ourselves feel better about our own country. |
Really Jon- get over it. You're drudging up comments about paying for health care when a SWAT team raids a rave? Guess what- you DO pay for your health care- it's called TAXES.
Don't see you throwing low blows at the Czech Republik for when they called in military TANKS to break up a rave there a month ago, do I?
http://www.economist.com/World/europe/displayStory.cfm?story_id=4281688
Violent crackdowns on raves are a sad display of uneducation, and its a sad situation in ANY country it happens in, regardless of their social issues, politics or religious beliefs. Every partier knows that ravers are the most peaceful group of people you could put together. That's what attracted me to the scene to begin with. |
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| jon jon |
lol I thought you were on my side!
I just bowed out! |
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| chanoa |
this story is insane. i've been reading everything i can get my hands on since 4.
i would like to see more videos. at first i was a little skeptical (one sided stories are never 100% accurate and it seemed so extreme) but as more individual stories and more reports come pouring out. wow
and i'm even more inpressed by how fast this story has gone around without the help of conventional news reports. even if the lawsuits don't pan out, just the awareness that those put in place to protect and serve are overstepping boundaries can help out future situations |
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| chanoa |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
Violent crackdowns on raves are a sad display of uneducation, and its a sad situation in ANY country it happens in, regardless of their social issues, politics or religious beliefs. Every partier knows that ravers are the most peaceful group of people you could put together. That's what attracted me to the scene to begin with. |
amen sista. a little better research on the cops side would have shown that this was not a party that weapons were going to be present and if they had had information on this party 4 wks in advance they should have
1. contacted the promoter about having police present to help search, walk around as a deterrent etc
2. if there were no permits which they say, they shouldn't have let the party start at all
this was more then a raid. this was a trap. what the cops did was unethical and unjust, not just before the eyes of the law, but before the eyes of man |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by The Highroller
I'm sorry, are you trying to equate police brutality with a town boycotting an event? :rolleyes: |
Either way its the same outcome..
They have prevented your right to congregate and listen to electronic music. As i said before... americans tend to act with swat teams, we tend to act with bylaws and parliamentary bills. Either way we arrive to the same outcome. No freedom. Although our way sees less broken bones. |
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| Tag |
| All this just makes me want to abuse drugs and go "raving". |
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| tatgirl |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
Either way its the same outcome..
They have prevented your right to congregate and listen to electronic music. As i said before... americans tend to act with swat teams, we tend to act with bylaws and parliamentary bills. Either way we arrive to the same outcome. No freedom. Although our way sees less broken bones. |
I'd rather my rights to congregate be violated without the help of the SWAT team. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
I'd rather my rights to congregate be violated without the help of the SWAT team. |
they arrested quite a few people at "toronto's last big rave" at the exhibition in 2000 and it was quite the scene. Nothing has even come close to the size of that party ever since. The cops have been used as political instruments in our scene many times in the last 5 years. Although no helicopters were used (mainly because we didnt have any) |
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| tatgirl |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
they arrested quite a few people at "toronto's last big rave" at the exhibition in 2000 and it was quite the scene. Nothing has even come close to the size of that party ever since. The cops have been used as political instruments in our scene many times in the last 5 years. Although no helicopters were used (mainly because we didnt have any) |
But they didn't even shut that rave down. Just arrested people on drug charges. The 2 don't compare. |
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