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Utah Rave Ends in Tears (pg. 9)
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
Aaron, please. How can you contest that the country involved in said incident can't be considered a factor in blame.
Like as if national boundaries don't play a part in domestic incidents. What am I supposed to ignore culture/environment in this case? |
By no means was I implying that it wasn't a factor. Certainly the religious right and their fervent phobia of mind-altering drugs played a huge part in all of this. My only objection was to the generalization as you identified. And I also just didn't think that such a tragic violation of human rights was really the appropriate basis for national one-upmanship.
Social problems can happen anywhere at any time. I think what really matters in the grand scheme of things is not that the problems occur, but what steps are taken to remedy them and how quickly and effectively they are executed. American society has proven to be self-reforming in the past (just look at the slave trade/civil war), and it looks like this incident has already caused a huge backlash, so I'd prefer to wait and see how things progress before jumping to conclusions about which philosophy currently dominates their political landscape.
The real problem to me is education. I think that people all over the world, everywhere, need to have some sense kicked into them about the realities of drug use, so that the abstainers can learn some tolerance, the indulgers can learn some responsibility, and the market can become a little less black. There's far too much crap fed to us on a daily basis that fuels the problem, like those annoying "if your kids are smoking pot, they'll probably wreck their entire lives in less than 6 months, so STOP THEM NOW!!!" ads and other fearmongering, which by the way, I see just as often on Canadian TV. ;) |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by tatgirl
But they didn't even shut that rave down. Just arrested people on drug charges. The 2 don't compare. |
have u seen parties like that in toronto since?
Mission acheived. |
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| MarkzMan_X |
Word of this story has received Holland. And i have to say, what a ed up situation. Ive seen the vids, and its sick!
Luckily lawsuits has been filed, too bad the damage has already been done. |
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| starsearcher |
Nat regarding the SWAT team....just like you said there's a big misunderstanding...and I'm guessing they didn't know what to expect and perhaps they wanted to intimidate - as in "don't do this again or..." and that's why they sent the big guns...
Either way I agree with you it's rediculous to send a SWAT team but now that you mentioned it I totally forgot the Czech Republic festival last week...:nervous: |
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| jon jon |
| lol where the are the hippy's in this thread! |
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| maxtuh |
thats bad
oh well too bad so sad.
cause they should have known better with all their stupid laws to party in the ing desert! |
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| Cosmic Fur |
| quote: | Originally posted by jon jon
lol where the are the hippy's in this thread! |
all too high to care? |
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by Cosmic Fur
all too high to care? |
lol :stongue: :clown: |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jayx1
they arrested quite a few people at "toronto's last big rave" at the exhibition in 2000 and it was quite the scene. Nothing has even come close to the size of that party ever since. The cops have been used as political instruments in our scene many times in the last 5 years. Although no helicopters were used (mainly because we didnt have any) |
i was always under the impression that the ban imposed in 2000 was overturned by city council and that it wasn't until 2001 when the whole 'protocol' was enacted that did it finally stop large rave gatherings on city property ie. to essentially 'extort' the promoters from having their events by charging extraneous amounts for paid duty officers to be on site.
by this the promoter is thus unable to cover the excessive costs to hold the event (the event not being illegal itself). however correct me if i'm wrong i hav the protocol in PDF format but i haven't read through the entire thing thoroughly.
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| starsearcher |
| quote: | Originally posted by dEsidEL
but i haven't read through the entire thing thoroughly.
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I bet it's like 600 pages long...why do all these government documents have to be so damn long?! Does anyone actually read all of them anyway?! |
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| dEsidEL |
| quote: | Originally posted by starsearcher
I bet it's like 600 pages long...why do all these government documents have to be so damn long?! Does anyone actually read all of them anyway?! |
lawyers probably do.. and promoters who don't want their asses charged/sued :wtf:
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| dEsidEL |
actually i juss looked thru it , it's only 7 pages long .. half of it is in French, and about 2 pages are indexes/table of contents .. so ur looking at about 2.5-3 pages in total of actual 'rules' lol ..
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EXPLANATORY NOTE
The purpose of this Bill is to regulate parties known as raves.
The Bill defines a rave as a dance event occurring between 2:00
a.m. and 6:00 a.m., for which admission is charged. The Bill
prohibits anyone from holding a rave unless the local municipality
has issued a permit. No one may promote or organize a rave or sell
tickets to a rave unless a permit has been issued. As well, the Bill
prohibits anyone from allowing the use of property for the holding
of raves unless a permit has been issued for the rave.
Municipalities may issue or renew permits subject to conditions.
They may also suspend or revoke permits. Permits may be granted for one or many raves. If a permit is issued for raves on an ongoing basis, it expires one year from the date it is issued, unless
a shorter period appears on the permit. Circumstances are also
prescribed where permits are not to be issued.
The Bill requires that permit holders ensure that a person
attending a rave leaves if the person is on the premises for an
unlawful purpose. The permit holder and the agents and employees
of the permit holder may request that such persons leave immediately,
and if the request is not complied with, they may forcibly
remove the person.
The Bill gives police officers the authority to enter any place
where they reasonably believe a rave is being held in violation of
the Act or a by-law made under it. Police officers may also require
all persons to vacate the premises, if they have reasonable grounds
to believe that the Act or a by-law is being violated, or that a
disturbance or breach of the peace sufficient to constitute a threat to public safety is being caused.
Municipalities may restrict the geographic areas in the municipality
where raves may be held, prescribe standards for the holding
of raves, require applicants to provide local residents with notice of
an application, and fix fees for applications.
The Bill provides for two types of offences. First, persons who
promote or hold a rave without a permit, allow their property to be
used for the purposes of holding a rave without a permit, knowingly
provide false information in an application, or fail to meet specific obligations imposed by the Act, by a by-law or by a permit. For such offences, corporations can be fined up to $50,000, individuals face up to a $10,000 fine or up to six months imprisonment or to both. Second, persons who attend a rave and fail to abide by a direction to vacate the premises. For this offence, individuals can be fined up to $5,000.
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