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Islam 2006 (pg. 15)
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| Jocker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psy-T
you've asked for any terrorist attacks in the last 100 years commited by non muslims. stfu. |
you haven't named a single one. as a matter of fact, IRA has not done a single thing since 1998, and waaay more than 100 attacks have happened since then - probably in Israel alone. |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jocker
well, if you are an active israeli army soldier and still make the comments you do, then either you: a) retarded or b) ing retarded. end of argument with you. |
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| Floorfiller |
| i kinda find it funny that russians invented modern terrorism, given the discussion that's going on... |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Exactly, though I don't agree with killing civilians randomly, the Palestinians have a legitimate cause in their fight.
Israel is a fake country occupying the land of its rightful owners. |
If that's true, then surely the same can be said about the US. |
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| infinity HiGH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
that's not it at all...
is it not stupid to blindly believe things without questioning them for yourself? what makes us human is our ability to reason and apply critical thinking, yet the largest institutions in the world ask us to give up that ability without justification. |
of course its not stupid. I never said it is. We *should* question what is presented to us, and this goes for religion, politics, consumerism, and anything else. But there's more to religion than blindly following it word-for-word like a peasent. Like Moral Hazard said a couple pages back: religion gives people hope, and fulfillment in life. Of course there are those people out there that take everything the Bible says literally, and yes, it is sad that people blindly follow a religion in that way and just eat up everything that's put on their plate, but does that make me better than them? No, I don't think so. At least not because of that.
My point is, these self-proclaimed intellectuals who look down on people who have faith are, just like you said, too ignorant or too proud of themselves to step back, and realize that not everyone thinks like them, or has to think like them. And to judge people solely based on that is ridiculous.
ps. just so u know, i'm pretty much against organized religion, ie. the Church, and so forth. |
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| Jocker |
| quote: | Originally posted by weymouth
The United States society was able to stop most of the actions of the KKK but the societies where militant Islamists live did not or can not stop them.
To say that all those people at the Haij are fanatics or extremists means to say that all members of all denominations of Christianity are actually the KKK.
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a very good comment. but that's exactly why i'm saying it: the extremist Islamists cannot be stopped as of now, and Islam grows rapidly. KKK was a big nasty problem for U.S. South, but isn't it true that during the 60ies it was pretty safe to say that MOST white people in the south at least sympathized with KKK and though that the things should be done that way?
in the same fashion, while the majority of those people at Haij are not militant, wouldn't it be reasonable to say, that they sympathize with the views of the most radical ones and don't think of suicide bombers as murderers, but rather as good people fightin for their cause?
i mean, , if the PRESIDENT of the whole country (Iran) openly says to kill every jew and wipe Israel off the planet, what can you say about ordinary religious muslims who live in those countries? |
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| Psy-T |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jocker
you haven't named a single one. as a matter of fact, IRA has not done a single thing since 1998, and waaay more than 100 attacks have happened since then - probably in Israel alone. |
i thought you said 100 years, no matter, among the last 100 attacks you can find ones not related to muslims by clicking this link |
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| Jocker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
i kinda find it funny that russians invented modern terrorism, given the discussion that's going on... |
please enlighten me:) cause that's the first time i hear about it.
i think, the first act of terrorism was carried out by USA in Hiroshima/Nagasaki, wasn't it? |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
If that's true, then surely the same can be said about the US. |
No, because Native americans aren't killing United States citizens demanding their land back.
Palestinians are. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
No, because Native americans aren't killing United States citizens demanding their land back. |
Maybe they should start. |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by infinity HiGH
of course its not stupid. I never said it is. We *should* question what is presented to us, and this goes for religion, politics, consumerism, and anything else. But there's more to religion than blindly following it word-for-word like a peasent. Like Moral Hazard said a couple pages back: religion gives people hope, and fulfillment in life. Of course there are those people out there that take everything the Bible says literally, and yes, it is sad that people blindly follow a religion in that way and just eat up everything that's put on their plate, but does that make me better than them? No, I don't think so. At least not because of that.
My point is, these self-proclaimed intellectuals who look down on people who have faith are, just like you said, too ignorant or too proud of themselves to step back, and realize that not everyone thinks like them, or has to think like them. And to judge people solely based on that is ridiculous. |
i agree with what you said and that is why i'm against mass religion...not other forms. if people have faith in something that's great...i can't change that, but i don't think mass religion is the answer...for reasons i've already suggested in here. if people come to a personal understanding of what god is or something...that's great, i'm not going to challenge it. i just think that the majority of religious people haven't taken it to that point. |
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| Arbiter |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
Pshhh the tribe outside my city, EVERY member gets like 3500$ a month for doing nothing because they make so much money off casinos and other activities that you cant do outside the reservations. |
I don't doubt it, I get a check too. But the premise that it's legitimate to steal peoples' land as long as they don't retaliate with terrorism is about as flawed as it gets. |
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