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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Arbiter
Maybe they should start. |
Good, I hope they do, I'll kick their ass, they piss me off anyway. My grandmother is cherokee and all she talks about is talking wolves and eagle-men.
Idiots. |
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| Jocker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
As horrible as that was, it was legitimate and a part of war. It also saved many more lives than it took. |
yes it was, but it's purpose was more to frighten with acts which are beyond the defending side's control, which affect the very life of civilians, rather than to bomb a strategic military target. if the us followed just the military purposes, they could have bombed an airport or a military base - not the whole city. it was, among all, a display of power. |
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| weymouth |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jocker
in any case, i do not understand why you guys attack me.
the last terrorist attacks. take the last 100. and give me a ing break, if not ALL of them were done by muslim extremists. JUST GIVE ME ONE who wasn't! after that you can go all blabla about me being whatever prejudiced and drawing whatever "idiotic" connections. |
Just to name a few:
Shining Path in Peru
Aum Shinri Kyo(Supreme Truth) in Japan
Timothy McVay in America
Che Guevara
Mao Zedung - On Guerilla Warfare is an excellent read to get into the minds of these people.
Marxism and terrorism is interwoven. Marxism and religion are polar opposites. In fact a lot of what people have been saying about religion brainwashing people comes from Marx.
Terrorism is just a method. |
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| Floorfiller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jocker
please enlighten me:) cause that's the first time i hear about it.
i think, the first act of terrorism was carried out by USA in Hiroshima/Nagasaki, wasn't it? |
the blue print for modern terrorism comes out prior to the collapse of imperial russia and the creation of the soviet union. it'd take more time to do the topic justice, but i'm leaving work. i have some books to suggest to you if you'd like to read about it.
edit: i think this is where weymouth is going aswell... |
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| Jocker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
You seem to forget that there was a revolution there and now for the most part a minority of the people of Irans beliefs run the country.
Its like saying every Russian wanted to nuke the west during the cold war. |
true too, but in dimplomatic sense, the President, as the most respected representative of a country, cannot just express such radical views openly, even if he has such. |
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| Jocker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Floorfiller
the blue print for modern terrorism comes out prior to the collapse of imperial russia and the creation of the soviet union. it'd take more time to do the topic justice, but i'm leaving work. i have some books to suggest to you if you'd like to read about it. |
oh yeah, you're right, i'm sorry. Lenin did indeed suggest terrorism as a means to facilitate people's acceptance of revolution. |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by weymouth
Marxism and terrorism is interwoven. Marxism and religion are polar opposites. In fact a lot of what people have been saying about religion brainwashing people comes from Marx.
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| Jocker |
| quote: | Originally posted by weymouth
Just to name a few:
Shining Path in Peru
Aum Shinri Kyo(Supreme Truth) in Japan
Timothy McVay in America
Che Guevara
Mao Zedung - On Guerilla Warfare is an excellent read to get into the minds of these people.
Marxism and terrorism is interwoven. Marxism and religion are polar opposites. In fact a lot of what people have been saying about religion brainwashing people comes from Marx.
Terrorism is just a method. |
yes. i agree. but there is a notion, though: we are talking about global threats. neither Aum Shinri Kyo, nor Shining Path went on a world tour blowing up. if islamic extremism were local to middle east, i wouldn't care: well, it's a bad thing, but it doesn't concern me. however, they successfully manage to conduct such operations in Russia, and in America, and elsewhere... And, despite attempts of different countries, they succeed more and more often. |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jocker
yes. i agree. but there is a notion, though: we are talking about global threats. neither Aum Shinri Kyo, nor Shining Path went on a world tour blowing up. if islamic extremism were local to middle east, i wouldn't care: well, it's a bad thing, but it doesn't concern me. however, they successfully manage to conduct such operations in Russia, and in America, and elsewhere... And, despite attempts of different countries, they succeed more and more often. |
Russia? Are you talking about chechnya?
FREE CHECHNYA! YELTSIN AND PUTIN ARE MURDERERS! |
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| Jocker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nou
One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter, just remember that.
Its all from someone elses point of view. |
yes. and from my point of view, i see a threat that is bigger every year. |
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| Jocker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marc Summers
Russia? Are you talking about chechnya?
FREE CHECHNYA! YELTSIN AND PUTIN ARE MURDERERS! |
in case you didn't know, Chechnya was given a total independence in 1996 - and in two months they invaded the border Russian republic. also, they ran out of their own fighters, so now the "chechens" are actually hired arabs from middle east. and the tragedy of Beslan shows exactly what these so-called "freedom fighters" are about. |
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| Marc Summers |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jocker
in case you didn't know, Chechnya was given a total independence in 1996 - and in two months they invaded the border Russian republic. also, they ran out of their own fighters, so now the "chechens" are actually hired arabs from middle east. and the tragedy of Beslan shows exactly what these so-called "freedom fighters" are about. |
They declared independence in '91 but russia didn't recognize it. And you failed to mention the genocide that occured in the Russian-Chechen war from 94-96. Russia started it when yeltsin ordered an invasion in '94. At least 40k massacred. |
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