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PvD - For an Angel (pg. 3)
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| s3nate |
| quote: | Originally posted by shades_of_gray
Obviously i love the record,
When most people think Paul Van Dyk, the also think 'For An Angel'
But Paul Van Dyk's finest hour has got to be 'Words'
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Words :eyespop: |
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| bidor |
| 12 years old already?:eek: damn i love this song! |
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| Zombie0915 |
crikey, there's nothing wrong with an accesible track, just lighten up a little!
There is something good in a tune that causes people to go crazy together, simple things can be good. One shouldn't have to train themselves to like something "sophisticated" in order to participate in this music, there has to be stuff available for newcomers and some stuff has to exist for the original clientelle.
I think that is where the appeal of this song is, in what happens to a crowd of people upon hearing it.
To me an accesible song is a kind of message, it says "come as you are" rather than exclusively appealing to a certain group. A broad appeal is not necessarily a bad thing IMHO, sure an expert isn't going to be enlightened or astonished but a load of other people will be. I don't think people should have to train themselves in order to be a part of this music, I feel like this music is meant to be about including people rather than restricting to a certain group. So you need a diverse set of stuff, some really complex fancy pioneering type sounds for your regulars and some melodic gimmicky simple common stuff for newcomers, because those regulars are gonna go away one day and you won't have anything if you don't keep new people coming in, and they will surely learn to like the fancy stuff eventually.
I feel like im in a thread with radagast again, probably because he parroted everything ishkur ever said, but seriously, this is elitism. A textbook example of a certain group of people trying to say something degrading about the bulk of the population because they like a tune that appeals to them. People will like what they like, most people like simple, familiar, catchy and they don't deserve to be condemed or considered stupid because of that, it takes alot of time and effort to grow into the sophisticated stuff and not everybody has the same priorities in their lives, it doesn't mean they are inferior it just means they care about other things. |
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| Protege |
| quote: | Originally posted by punjabi
i think it's an incredible track to hear live |
I heard this live for the first time last weekend. My friend and I were leaving this reggaeton club and we passed by this bar that was playing it and I was like holy thats for an angel, I used to love this song back in the day. So we go in the bar and its playing with the acapella of Sarah mclachlan - silence on top of it and im dancing around like a drunk ass white guy. it was cool. |
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| montana |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Montana's probably referring to the constant cynical angle you take on any trance record that doesn't stick to the Ye Olde Formula, especially as you don't know why PVD made the record to sound like that, or have any real evidence to support the idea that it was to cash-grab. Certainly, due to the lack of commercial success of the record (and trance in general) when it was first released, why make that record at all? Why not head off into euro-dance?
It's quite possible that PVD simply made the record like that because he wanted to. That it evolved on the original musical idea is apparently heresy to you, and so the automatic cynic response comes into play. That's what's repetitive. |
Nail, Hit, Coffin |
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| montana |
| quote: | Originally posted by Protege
So we go in the bar and its playing with the acapella of Sarah mclachlan - silence on top of it and im dancing around like a drunk ass white guy. it was cool. |
yes, that would be that "Silent Angel" mashup, decent but the forgot about dre/for an angel mashup is far more fun. |
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| bidor |
| quote: | Originally posted by Protege
I heard this live for the first time last weekend. My friend and I were leaving this reggaeton club and we passed by this bar that was playing it and I was like holy thats for an angel, I used to love this song back in the day. So we go in the bar and its playing with the acapella of Sarah mclachlan - silence on top of it and im dancing around like a drunk ass white guy. it was cool. |
LMAO, i would probably done the same thing:) |
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| Cobalt |
I've been through the requisite cycles of self-doubt and self-identification in trance. I think I've done an adequate amount of research and reflection, and am pretty content with where my tastes have settled.
Most of my favorite productions struck me from when I first heard them. Very few tracks have grown on me over time, and there are few I was once wild over but no longer am. I never seemed to encounter the sort of internal crisis of taste that most trance fans experience. I still like a lot of epic trance, and the epic trance that I don't like I never much liked in the first place. I thought Children was hollow from day one; I've always hated Out Of The Blue, and never understood its appeal. This isn't meant to burnish any sort of false image; it's just an observation. My tastes have not changed significantly over time, which is sort of unusual in the context of how interest in dance music seems to evolve for most people. I like techno much more than I used to, it's true, but my taste in trance hasn't shifted that much from where it started.
For An Angel has always been a favorite of mine. I've asked myself countless times how much that has to do with nostalgia or mass appeal, and I honestly don't think either has too much to do with it. I just like the track itself, a lot. |
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| Vainqueur |
| quote: | Originally posted by Zombie0915
...and some melodic gimmicky simple common stuff for newcomers...
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They don't seem to get this though, which is weird, because the concept appears everywhere in life.
When you first get into something, you wanna learn all the cool tricks and the fancy stuff. You don't care about the mindset you might need to have, or the huge amount of knowledge that can be acquired regarding the subject. When you start getting interested in explosive compositions, you wanna blow up with C4. You don't care what's in it, you don't care about chemistry. Maybe that's not a good analogy, but you get what I mean; People are and will be naiive. |
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| Cobalt |
| quote: | Originally posted by bidor
12 years old already?:eek: damn i love this song! |
The original from 45 RPM is about 12 years old, but if someone doesn't own 45 RPM, they've probably never heard it.
The E-Werk mix from 1998, which most people have heard, is only about 8 years old. |
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| Zombie0915 |
what other classic tunes have you enjoyed/not enjoyed cobalt?
I never really liked out of the blue either, thought it sounded too much like a beauty pageant sound track or something. I was kinda oblivious to children, didn't really bother listening to it until relatively late. When I hear it now I won't immediately skip the track but it isn't really one that I go out of my way to listen to.
But I friggin love for an angel, loved it before I even knew what it was called, before I even knew how old it was or who made it or how popular it was. It was one of those random mislabeled downloads off of napster that made me curious about trance.
I didn't like gamemaster, sounded too much like "gay master" and that stupid vocal just went on way too long. |
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