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TRANCE vs CLASSICAL (pg. 5)
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| adi26 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
There's no real relation at all between trance and hip-hop, beyond the fact that both are electronic and in the same time signature. Hip-hop is quite obviously dominated by breakbeats, but the nature of how it's composed is very different. Most hip-hop is built quite like house: out of one loop. One loop to rule them all, and so on. Hip-hop producers don't talk about tracks, they talk about beats. Hip-hop tends to be built out of loops, with no real lead element beyond the MC and vocals. Put simply, in an instrumental form it doesn't have anything but a groove.
Trance is different. Trance moves. It has repetition- a beat, a bassline etc, but trance tends to go places. It doesn't start with everything and pretty much end with everything, like hip-hop. The first bar of a hip-hop track is often identical to the last bar, and the majority of the bars in between will be the same, with only glossing. Trance will have leads- pads, acid lines, big off melodies. They'll be introduced, then they'll leave. It will have breakdowns, builds, lulls and so forth. Hip-hop musically will play all of its cards at once, and just add to that. Trance's cards come and go.
Obviously this is not an always-applicable thing: I can name hip-hop tracks now that contradict me, and famous ones at that. But really, they're totally different. There's a reason why "journey" is such an abused word to trance fans, because it really is true. Trance is about being long and absorbing and melding lots of minimal elements together, and maybe some bigger ones. Hip-hop is all about creating one or two bars of goodness and getting your money's worth out of them.
Oh, and I'm not claiming that trance is anything like classical. In fact, my statement actually says the opposite: you're slightly less stupid in your association. I don't think trance is like classical, but it sure as hell isn't like hip-hop either. |
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| Danny Ocean |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancedanne
Classical such as mozart, Beethoven & Tchaikovsky is extremly boring & depressing listening to |
ladies and gentlemen, i give you the opinion of ignorance. |
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| trancedanne |
| quote: | Originally posted by Danny Ocean
ladies and gentlemen, i give you the opinion of ignorance. |
yeah retard it was my opinion, if you have another one i dont give a |
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| SYSTEM-J |
Ah, I can't resist...
| quote: | Originally posted by yshikllr
I have "crap" grammar huh? Haha, wow, you do know that you should have used "crappy" in that sentence right? That's pretty ironic.
Oh, and the least you could do would be to check your own sentences before you express your doubt over my superior intelligence; what does "...do classical better than classical" mean? |
It's perfectly acceptable to use "crap" as a straight adjective.
"Do classical better than classical" is a stock phrase, a cliché. "The cover band do Metallica better than Metallica do!" I left out the "does" because I was typing it shorthand, which is fine because there's nothing formal about this thread. You, however, are clearly attempting to use grammar but you're ing up constantly over trivial things.
| quote: | | I do know nothing about you really though, I'm just saying the odds are that I'm more intelligent. It was a pretty arrogant statement I made, but you did call me an idiot, and not only that but you said it was "clear" that I was an idiot. That was arrogant on your part; what kind of a reply did you expect? |
How is it arrogance? On a forum as a faceless identity, you're judged by the quality of your posts. Judging by the you've been spouting in this thread, it really is pretty clear.
Now, you're a troll so I'll leave it there. |
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| yshikllr |
| quote: | Originally posted by SYSTEM-J
Ah, I can't resist...
It's perfectly acceptable to use "crap" as a straight adjective.
"Do classical better than classical" is a stock phrase, a cliché. "The cover band do Metallica better than Metallica do!" I left out the "does" because I was typing it shorthand, which is fine because there's nothing formal about this thread. You, however, are clearly attempting to use grammar but you're ing up constantly over trivial things.
How is it arrogance? On a forum as a faceless identity, you're judged by the quality of your posts. Judging by the you've been spouting in this thread, it really is pretty clear.
Now, you're a troll so I'll leave it there. |
It is not perfectly acceptable to use "crap" as a straight adjective when insulting someone's grammar, jackass. I'm not messing up (Show me how I have messed up, or can you even do that? You certainly didn't SHOW me how classical music is better than trance), and these things that I'm talking about aren't trivial. They are certainly not trivial when you are stating that I have bad grammar in an attempt to disprove my claim that I am more intelligent than you.
How has what you have said in this thread any better? I said trance is better than classical, and explained why I think that. You immediately said I was an idiot and have not explained why classical is better than trance. Can you back up your opinion, or do you just chime in with whatever the majority seems to believe in a thread?
Who uses the word "troll?" I mean, seriously, you might want to leave that out of your posts if you don't want to sound like complete queerbait. |
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| epdarks |
Stop your bitching...
So trance lacks energy? Maybe you should lay off the ebombs and chill out to some Mozart. What classical lacks in energy it makes up for 10 fold in intelligent construction. No, it doesn't have banging beats that rock clubs all night, but its not supposed to.
Even if the technology wasn't as good, some symphones have... I'm not sure... 20 lines? Some trance may have that many, but its ussually 5 we hear 99% of the time. Classical composers use those 20 elements for a far greater "journey" feeling than any trance artist has done TO DATE. Hoping someone can step up. |
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by yshikllr
No, in all probability, you like the idea of liking classical, there's a difference. And yes, you're probably a liar, saying you know you're not doesn't mean much.......coming from a liar. |
That's funny you know? Considering I have a collection of classical peices on many CD's. I like the idea of liking classical? I worship 'Siegfried's Funeral March from Götterdämmerung by Richard Wagner' for crying out loud. What more do I need to do in order to KNOW i like classical?
| quote: | Originally posted by yshikllr
No idea what i'm talking about huh? Actually, i do have an idea, i was talking about how trance is amazing and classical sucks ass.....are you even talking about anything besides me being wrong? Say WHY classical is better please. |
I don't have to say WHY it's better, the music speaks for itself. Oh wait, you don't like classical, so I guess it won't click in your mindless brain. Seriously, what kind of moron compares trance to classical music?
| quote: | Originally posted by yshikllr
And yes, pretty much all contemporary music has potential to be better than any classical, |
I never said it couldn't be, but I doubt one song, even one genre such as trance, can compare to all the Classical Periods. I'm sorry, you're just brainwashed with the idea that trance is 'better' than classical. Hell, it's even more insulting that it's TRANCE you're comparing classical too.
| quote: | | Originally posted by yshikllr isn't there some classical music forum for pseudo-intellectual s such as yourself? there's gotta be one, gotta be. |
There must be, but, since I'm open to all music, including trance and all other electronica I guess that doesn't make me a pseudo-intellectual like you say, huh? |
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| R.j. |
| quote: | Originally posted by trancedanne
yeah retard it was my opinion, if you have another one i dont give a |
Tchaikovsky boring? haha. funny. funny... |
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| Axolotyl |
| Classical is music played by large groups of highly trained musicians led by highly skilled composers. Trance is synthesised notes triggered by a machine programmed in by nerds, most of who ripped off the melody and presets from someone else. Only a retard of monumental ignorance would compare the two. |
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| Majutsu |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Axolotyl Trance is synthesised notes triggered by a machine programmed in by nerds, most of who ripped off the melody and presets from someone else. |
isn't that just awesome. what a great definition! |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Gotta love them yanks :stongue: |
We totally disown him... :nervous: |
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