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Current Hamas and Israel Issue. (pg. 6)
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| all-nite-freak |
| i do not hate people of any race or religion as who,what,when they chose to worship is none of my business.I hope you understand that this is a debate, and debates often become heated.I dislike some of your views beno, not because you are jewish but because i make my own conscious choice not to view things in the same way.Your opinion is respected but not accepted;) |
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| beno86 |
| i wasnt talking about you i respect your right to a different opinion any day.What i was refering too was the post by karl. i probably should quote more sorry. |
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| KarL_24 |
| quote: | | your entitled to your political belief and thats fine as long as it does not turn into hate i do not hate palestians or arabs . but when a middle east thread turns into a the jews were in charge of 9/11 thats blattenly offensive and racist. this is the type of talk that gets jews targeted outside of israel for the so called zionist conspiracies. this is the bull thats gets my ex gf school firebombed in montreal thats get my old high school windows smashed and defaced, that gets a cellphone salesman in france murdered by cigarette burns (ilan hallimi zl''). If any one wants to talk politics thats fine but theres a fine line that one must not step over and he that. |
woww... im sorry about the way you took my post. i sincerely apologise for the possibility that i left of misstaking my comment. i did not say in any way that it was a jewish conspiracy, that is something you wanted to read. the only thing i said is that there were things they wouldn't tell us. and those things could change it all. if i was wrong with my statistics, please let me double check.
now man, im very sad that the only thing you picked out of my mostly optimistic post was that. obviously you fell in the game those men want us to fall in... we want peace right, lets be peace. |
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| Goashem |
| quote: | Originally posted by KarL_24
Nowadays we are 99% sure that it's bull. Chinese will confirm that in a couple months.
Please: Armstrong the first man on the moon. what about the guy with the camera ???? :mad:
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| quote: | Originally posted by KarL_24
Why does the US stand for Israel? It's all about the money, most of the huge indutsries in america are owened by jewish ppl. Israel gives the US their support every single time in International organisations, the US stands for Israel. Max asked if without the US backing them, Israelis would still do what they do. The answer is no man, they wouldn't do half of it. But then again, without Israelis' money would the US be what they are, the answer is again no, they wouldn't be .
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1) huge generalization about jews and owning things
2) why not support the other side of the conflict and have easy access to the most important commodity in the world: oil?
3) israels money???? i thought it was the US that gives israel the money.
| quote: | Originally posted by KarL_24
The 9/11 happened and the US knew about it, how come no jew went to work that day??? more than 3/4 of the twin towers were owened by jewish firms, why did they stay home??? they obviously knew...
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:rolleyes::rolleyes:
obviously!
apperantly all jews are identified and accounted for in the twin towers and monitored when they enter leave. (psst they wear yellow stars of david to be easily identified).
| quote: | Originally posted by KarL_24
That's the bigger picture, that's what nobody will ever say publicly. But why are these palestian women commiting suicide in the name of God, and why are these Israeli kids dying shot by snipers?
Because somebody want it that way. Who benefits from rain? Coat sellers. Who benefits from war? Weapon sellers. Who are the biggest weapon sellers in the world? The United States of america, Bush and his family... we've all watched farenheit 9/11.
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do you live in a bunker under sea level with tin foiled covered walls?
| quote: | Originally posted by KarL_24
There is also the political issue.
Both sides blame the other, truth is as we all said both sides are to blame. But the people in power cannot lose "their face", none will negotiate with the other because that would mean accepting a political defeat. who the hell cares of a political defeat if thousands of miserable families will finally live in peace.
As someone said before, Israelis want peace, those poor eople live constantly under fear, 1/3 of the population is serving military service (3 years men and women). Palestinians also want peace, their youth has no access to school, they can't get a decent job and they have been living in a land which is not even a state for ages.
The only solution for this conflict is a negotiation between the two sides. im surprised nobody has recalled the peace agreement between Yasser Arafat and Yitzhak Rabin in Sept '94. These two men won the Nobel prize for that and what happened? Rabin got killed by a jewish extremist... Everything started again.
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thank you some coherent talk... the think about rabins peace with arafat is that there was no peace. the most famous and worst bus suicide bombings happened under rabin. the israelis feel they cant trust palestinians, and the palestinians feel they cant trust israelis. and that wall to seperate both of them seems like a great idea to be honest. (except the whole caged in country and the land grabs.) |
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| Hman |
the worst thread ever .:whip: :whip:
there is no point of talking about this subject .
WACKKK:o |
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| Marcus007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Hman
the worst thread ever .:whip: :whip:
there is no point of talking about this subject .
WACKKK:o |
Or you could clarify and enlighten us with your ideas on this subject? It's kinda why I made this thread, to shake things up a little and to be enlightened by other points of view. :) |
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| Marcus007 |
| Alright... way to contribute... |
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| mikester69 |
So in this whole thread, those who support the Israeli Government's actions are Israelis themselves. I understand that both sides are at fault, but how some people can be so closed minded is beyond me...I honestly cannot understand it; Maybe you guys could read a book?? I dont know what else to say :conf: except...
Everyone wants to protect and advance their interests and Jews without question have more interests to preserve than any other ethnicity/religion/race (uh oh beware of 'discrimination' police) |
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| mikester69 |
Need vs Greed ??????????
Am I ignorant? |
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| djlemeir |
| are you saying jews dont NEED a land? |
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| Alex |
| quote: | Originally posted by Marcus007
Alex... Palastine isn't at war with Israel. Up until that capture they were *breath in* TRYING *breath out* to co-exist even though militants kept shooting missles into the civilian ridden streets of Israel.
If it's going to be a war then have a war! It's pretty clear who would win. I just want this situation to resolve and the pathetic truth behind all this is that there is no RESOLUTION in sight. It's a vicious circle that will continue to overlap until SOMEONE wipes one of these nations off the face of the earth.
And we all know it who's going if anyone is going to go...
All media is biased. It's granted. I learnt this awhile ago and I'm sure you'll agree with me... TAKE IT ALL WITH A GRAIN OF SALT! Read but don't believe until you see it with your own eyes. Media and news agencies are nothing but informants with a jaded perception. Take the core information, research further, and make your own conclusions. This is a basic function that much of the world can't comprehend.
Did the U.S strike first? Was it the U.S that flew two planes into a Taliban hut somewhere in the middle of ing nowhere? NO! It was fkn AlQaeda that started this horrific war and any deaths from that point are directly to blame on that organization. I don't believe the US is blameless in this situation but we must remember who drew blood first.
I don't need to see my family die to understand the horrors of war... :o |
Aight lemme be more clear.
While there may not be a declaration of war going on, if the government cant control the only form of militant behaviour going on in its country, that means that the government is useless and therefore the militants are more or less RULING whats going on, which then in turn means that indeed some kind of war is going on as informal as it is. Remember, Palestine has no real army.
In regards to the USA starting the war, well I have to say that indeed yes they did.
They meddled in middle-eastern affairs, they backed Al Quaeda during the 80s when it was refered to as (sorry about the spelling) the muja hadin or whatever, and there are videos of Osama himself walking around with a sidewinder american rocket launcher provided to him, and taught how to use it by the AMERICAN CIA. As soon as the cold war ended, the Americans abandoned the Afghani freedom fighters and left the country in turmoil. In addition, the Americans took over Saudi Arabia through special interests (oil) and supplied them with fighter jets to fight Iraqis, before that even the Americans jumped back and forth between siding with religious extremist led IRAN and the more moderate IRAQ, until finally both sides were fighting eachother (or poised to fight eachother) with American weaponry, and American training. When the US of A finally decided it would stop taking sides, Saddam invaded Kuwait and the USA was forced to intervene with the help of the rest of the western world to oust (And ultimately destroy) the Iraqi military.
So please Marcus, dont blame the muslim folks for the world trade center. It was a heinous and unessecary act, but the American government were WITHOUT A DOUBT the bottom line for that attack, the American government meddled in places it should not have and once THEIR goal had been achieved they abandoned their former alliances and left them to fend for themselves, a fate quite possibly WORSE than dropping a bomb on them directly. |
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