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Crobar 4AM close official??? (pg. 7)
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| pvd420 |
| here's an idea that i have said from time to time for a while now. let the club close early at 4. start the party earlier arond 8 or 9. everyone gets their fill of whatever dj they are going to see, and everyone gets home at a normal hour and doesnt feel so worn out the next day from staying out so late. yes i know that is spoken like a 28 year old, but i think it makes at least a little sense. |
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| kid nyce |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
No wonder none of you ever have fun when you go out. Look at the mindset that you have.
I seriously wonder how much fun some of you would have had if you'd been the same age that you are now and had the same experiences under your belt when we had the "golden age of clubbing." Most of you were still children with no responsibilities, took lots of pills and were experiencing something new and exciting. Life's different now, it's no surprise that you have different outlooks.
It's hard to constantly live up to your past experiences, no matter what area of life you're talking about, because once you've been impressed, you have to have that met or upstaged to enjoy it again. |
thats a good point of view. I agree that its hard to live up to your past experiences, but consider this, that going out 'back then' wasn't nearly as much of an effort as going out these days. It wasn't because we were young and energetic, irresponsible and free...it was because where ever we went, it wasn't packed, it wasn't hard to get in, and it wasn't expensive to get in there.
Part of it not being packed then was because kids that are 18-21 NOW, was who we were THEN, and there wasn't many of us because as time has changed and the flexibility of youth these days allows them to participate in the nightlife, where as when I was 18-21 hell we barely had CELLPHONES. The leniency now in relation to how things were back then have completely changed, thus resulting in the irresponsible crowds that litter our clubs these days.
Back then only a few 18-21 made up the majority of the crowd and thats the complete truth. Great example is Vynil afterhours, I use to go there sunday mornings at 7AM stay until about 12. There was only a handful of kids my age that was in attendance, now a days you'll find 16-17 yr olds getting in with fake IDs.
The best analogy I can think of is when I was 16-17-18, I didn't have a car. How many 16-17-18 yr olds have BMW M3's, escalades, hell I've seen some highschool kids with Verizon Moto Qs...can you tell me what a highschooler would be doing with a PDA, when I myself who in business don't own a PDA yet I constantly remind myself how much of a necessity it is for me.
You all need to stop saying that 'we hate on the now cuz we live in the past' because the way things are now is not nearly as nice as we had when we were that age. |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
thats a good point of view. I agree that its hard to live up to your past experiences, but consider this, that going out 'back then' wasn't nearly as much of an effort as going out these days. It wasn't because we were young and energetic, irresponsible and free...it was because where ever we went, it wasn't packed, it wasn't hard to get in, and it wasn't expensive to get in there.
Part of it not being packed then was because kids that are 18-21 NOW, was who we were THEN, and there wasn't many of us because as time has changed and the flexibility of youth these days allows them to participate in the nightlife, where as when I was 18-21 hell we barely had CELLPHONES. The leniency now in relation to how things were back then have completely changed, thus resulting in the irresponsible crowds that litter our clubs these days.
Back then only a few 18-21 made up the majority of the crowd and thats the complete truth. Great example is Vynil afterhours, I use to go there sunday mornings at 7AM stay until about 12. There was only a handful of kids my age that was in attendance, now a days you'll find 16-17 yr olds getting in with fake IDs.
The best analogy I can think of is when I was 16-17-18, I didn't have a car. How many 16-17-18 yr olds have BMW M3's, escalades, hell I've seen some highschool kids with Verizon Moto Qs...can you tell me what a highschooler would be doing with a PDA, when I myself who in business don't own a PDA yet I constantly remind myself how much of a necessity it is for me.
You all need to stop saying that 'we hate on the now cuz we live in the past' because the way things are now is not nearly as nice as we had when we were that age. |
but basing your view on ALL of society because of your relativism isnt fair either.... my brother's 26 now, when he was in high school, he always bitched about how he had to drive my moms burgundy Cutlass and everyone at his school had BMWs, Chrysler Sebrings, Mercedes... just because YOU didnt see it doesnt mean it wasnt there.... you say that when you went to Vinyl you saw a handful of kids your age, im sorry to say but i dont know any kids my age that go to afterhours and (i dont mean to suggest im popular or nething) but u somehow or another get to meet all the 18-21 kids, its all one big network that you see week after week, so i pretty much know or have met them all...
im sure i could get my 35 year old uncle to come on the boards and say how YOUR Twilo days zero vibe compared to the unnanounced warehouse raves he went to in the late 80s... dude, its always gunna be a case of the things of TODAY not living up to the pedestal you put them on yesterday.... and if you think i dont know, youre wrong because its not hard to know what it feels like.... high school dances rocked when i was a freshman and "sucked" by the beginning of junior year.... teen nights rocked as a sophomore and "sucked" by the beginning of senior year.... thats just how it goes and it has nothing to do with the changing of society.... in the late 90s, someone in ur position (as a 20 something year old looking back) would say something like "WE NEVER HAD INTERNET TO PROMOTE CLUBS" or "we never have cell phones PERIOD" and bla bla bla, theres always an ante to be upped with society but when you complain about how its been upped the past few years, remember that when u were our age, there was some1 in ur position complaining about the same thing |
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| DJ Eco |
| needless to say, i do think what happened to you at Crobar was of the utmost bull... however, dont tell me there werent clubs in the late 90s with diva doormen/girls who didnt let everyone in, if nthing i would imagine there to be more of it then than now, its just a matter of if u went to those clubs or not to have experienced it... ive heard people complain about how "they let anyone in nowadays, its sickening... back in the 90s, they actually had STANDARDS, remember those days?".... so its just a matter of personal experience or tastes |
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| kid nyce |
but i never voiced out that they were wrong to think that way
i never thought to tell my elders off when they told me when I was young that i don't know how good i have it.
i never thought to say 'you old folks stop complaining' or allude to us not having a good time because we have a certain mindset.
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you certainly don't see me bumping heads with Tiesto14 about the days when I had no clue about the party scene. I accept his view...I think the majority on these boards enjoy pushing back when people frown upon the current status of the night life...consider that with an open mind, just like how some of us consider week in and week out about going out and trying it for a moment.
and for the record, the night of the incident i experienced, i actually asked tek to attend this when he already had a prior bad experience with crobar (for sasha) and at that time I didn't go with him, I went a head of him and called him after I wasn't comp'd into Sasha's party...he went tried it out, didn't get his comp, so he left....meanwhile I paid my $50 to get in. |
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| DJ Eco |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
but i never voiced out that they were wrong to think that way
i never thought to tell my elders off when they told me when I was young that i don't know how good i have it.
i never thought to say 'you old folks stop complaining' or allude to us not having a good time because we have a certain mindset. |
i dont see this as "voicing anyone off", i see this as giving you another view (a pretty mature view, actually, for a 19 year old).... i do see what ur saying of course, but what im saying is that theres always another step to be taken by each generation
right now ur saying we are lucky to have things like cell phones, 18+ entry, etc.
> at ur time some1 may have said "ur lucky to have a message board to stay connected with ur club people and the scene"
> > at their time, some1 may have said "ur dam lucky to have been born with MTV"
and so on... not saying youre wrong; yes, we have more than the generation b4 us was given to us, but it also this mindset that will make the clubber grow jaded until finally he just gives up on it, and yes, ill probably go through it too lol |
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| Konijn |
| quote: | | Originally posted by kid nyce |
kids always had fake ids. if anything, it's tougher for a high schooler to get into a known club today, whereas people who were in their teens in the early-to-mid '90s (like me) could often waltz into clubs.
as far as the quote below is concerned, i would challenge it on all three points:
| quote: | | It wasn't because we were young and energetic, irresponsible and free...it was because where ever we went, it wasn't packed, it wasn't hard to get in, and it wasn't expensive to get in there. |
clubs were always ridiculously packed. are you forgetting how suffocatingly congested the tunnel used to be?? or the lines snaking around the block for limelight? moving in between the floors at expo could easily take the greater part of an hour.
as far as the ease of getting in, i have less trouble today (although i do go out less). still, i recall the doors at places like Chaos, Life and Ohm being very stiff on occassion, just like i remember being turned away a few times by the drag queen at webster hall.
regarding $$, that's also on par with current prices once you slightly adjust for the many years that have passed.
although there's definitely a far greater focus on bottles -- that clearly comes at the detriment of vibe -- the real culprits are the changing rhythms and priorities of the city itself.
and although it may not be registering fully, an equally large part of the perceived change is because "we were young and energetic, irresponsible and free." ;) |
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| kid nyce |
it's not that i don't accept what your saying, i agree with it, but i didn't frown upon those that looked down on me during my younger times.
the minute one of us brings it back to the old days, everyone from the now is so quick to jump on us about not having a good time and defending the current status of the nightlife.
but then you all slowly start turning and begin to understand what we are saying...i see it already, you all who call up crobar, asking for exactly what's going on...and then voice your disgust...all the while some of us before have been saying so.
I'm just voicing out that when if any of us frown upon the current status of the nightlife to accept our views and maybe relate to them instead of saying how we don't understand and defend it...and then in other threads say crobar is closing at 4-5. |
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| kid nyce |
| quote: | Originally posted by Konijn
as far as the quote below is concerned, i would challenge it on all three points:
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ok so i waited 2.5 hours to get into twilo once for pvd...
LOL
but that party went until 8:45am lol and i paid $25 to get in |
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| barosoap |
| quote: | Originally posted by kid nyce
ok so i waited 2.5 hours to get into twilo once for pvd...
LOL
but that party went until 8:45am lol and i paid $25 to get in |
At least then the crowds and waits were worth it. Now, you could wait an hour to get into Crobar for a crap party that ends at 4.
At one point or another everyone has complained about the current status of clubbing in NYC whether it’s the crowds, covers, or club policies. I don’t really think it’s fair for people to jump on old-timers as whining all the time and living in the past. Things have changed. There’s no question about it. We have mostly the bureaucrats to blame. Honestly, we’ve probably put up with more crap than most people in all our years of experience. Some of us still go out hoping that maybe things will get better. Of the clubbing “veterans” who used to go to Limelight, Tunnel, Twilo, (dare I include Sound Factory and Exit) I STILL go out quite often, probably more now than I used to then. Part of it is because now I have the money to enjoy myself and live in Manhattan. The main reason I still go out is because if I want to see a live DJ set in a club setting, I have no other choice. It’s either go out and put up with all the BS or stay at home and completely deprive myself of any experience. Just because I don’t like certain aspects of nightlife now and am critical, doesn’t mean I don’t enjoy some of it. I still do, otherwise like some others I would’ve completely given up on the scene. |
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| PvDoBseSSioN |
omg this is the most elaborate thread i have ever seen :eyes:
good stuff |
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| fr0st |
| quote: | Originally posted by tiesto14
I started going to clubs at 16....i am almost 32 now:p
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My point exactly 4 years is nothing.... |
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