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24 Season 6 Official Thread. [No Spoilers Please/Respect our West Coast Friends too!] (pg. 16)
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| Ed G |
| quote: | Originally posted by stren
you can fuse languages |
Phicst. |
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| Ed G |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
It's a show about terrorism - of course there's going to be military/intelligence/etc. emphasis, which I think makes it an easy target, especially in the post 9/11 social climate. I don't, however, believe that the show supports an specific "right-wing messages."
Propaganda to me, is something that is designed to denigrate an ethnicity, culture, race, person, issue, etc. implicitly. The idea of "subtle propaganda" you suggest is, in reality, just the inability to seperate the fantasy from reality. I think your "oversensitivity" to the issue is indicative of the general "PC culture" that exists in the U.S. which only leads to unnecessary censorship.
Groups like the WSWS and all other political interest groups are generally able to contort any image into something that fits their own devices. In general, the people who buy into their cultural assessments of any media image are simply unable to make up their own minds, and need a faux-intellectual political interest group to make their mind up for them (Please note, I'm not referring specifically to you, but the more general group of people who read this kind of rubbish without actually checking the source). |
"1.The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
2.Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda."
See, this definition doesn't mention "denigrating" anything or anyone. I also don't think that it need be "impicit".
| quote: | | The idea of "subtle propaganda" you suggest is, in reality, just the inability to seperate the fantasy from reality. |
I think subtle propaganda means promoting a doctrine in a way that isn't obvious.
I don't think that being sensitive to propaganda makes one PC. I don't believe that torture is effective or appropriate so I'm irritated when a storyline portrays it in that light. Does 24 show "good guys" torturing people or not? |
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| Dopey |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ed G
I think subtle propaganda means promoting a doctrine in a way that isn't obvious. |
I don't really know what you guys are arguing about...
but nothing about 24 is subtle |
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| RJT |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ed G
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Leave it to a genius like you to completely miss the point.
Textbook definitions and the content you find at dictionary.com aren't the end all, be-all answer to issues like these - if you think they are, go have a semantics discussion.
Those of us who are capable of discussing the issues in realistic and non-reactionary terms will continue to see things for what they are, in this case: A TELEVISION SHOW DESIGNED FOR ENTERTAINMENT.
It does not, in any way, shape, or form promote this "right wing agenda" you seem to assume it does.
I'm done addressing you - your closemindedness and reactionary comments regarding a show you've never seen render your opinion completely worthless to me. My guess, based on the way you approach this issue, is that you're just one of those very irritating types of liberals who feels a need to disect pop culture in illogical and inappropriate ways simply to fit their own devices.
Good for you, you must be proud to make such ridiculous assumptions based on the same kind of propaganda you so clearly want to demonize. |
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| lücid |
| 24 is about as close to reality as The OC. |
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| DJ Mikey Mike |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ed G
How could I know if I was dense of not? That's a rhetorical question isn't it? |
What the is this?  Can anyone else hear a barrel being scraped? Jog on you desperate fool. |
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| Ed G |
| quote: | Originally posted by RJT
Leave it to a genius like you to completely miss the point.
Textbook definitions and the content you find at dictionary.com aren't the end all, be-all answer to issues like these - if you think they are, go have a semantics discussion.
Those of us who are capable of discussing the issues in realistic and non-reactionary terms will continue to see things for what they are, in this case: A TELEVISION SHOW DESIGNED FOR ENTERTAINMENT.
It does not, in any way, shape, or form promote this "right wing agenda" you seem to assume it does.
I'm done addressing you - your closemindedness and reactionary comments regarding a show you've never seen render your opinion completely worthless to me. My guess, based on the way you approach this issue, is that you're just one of those very irritating types of liberals who feels a need to disect pop culture in illogical and inappropriate ways simply to fit their own devices.
Good for you, you must be proud to make such ridiculous assumptions based on the same kind of propaganda you so clearly want to demonize. |
It's interesting that you label me as reactionary. You've been defensive from the beginning. You've insulted my intelligence in a few posts, which is fine, but it makes you seem more reactionary than I. I've been very civil in our discussion, and have not resorted to name calling.
You say I'm close-minded, but I doubt that you could give an example of it.
You call me a liberal with almost nothing to base your opinion on. I don't approve of torture as a political tool and I don't approve of any depiction of torture as a bonefide means to gaining information. It's more of a fetish than an interrogation tool. If this attitude makes me a liberal then so be it.
I know you're done with this discussion, but if you weren't I would ask you these questions:
Can a fictional story be made with the intention that it promote a particular ideology regardless of the fact that it's main purpose is entertainment?
Do you consider that which promotes a doctrine or ideology to be propaganda?
As I've asked before, does 24 depict "good guys" torturing people? You could have shut me up immediately by answering no. Since you didn't I will assume that the article is right in it's assessment until I see it for myself. |
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| Vlad |
| Interrogation package FTW! |
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| Marc Summers |
| thanks for bumping this. I wasn't going to spend too much time looking for it and I gave up after 10 seconds. |
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| Vlad |
| I cant even imagine how much that stuff hurts. |
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| kadomony |
| hahah ohhhh man. they better hope to hell Graham doesn't escape. |
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| RapidFire |
| damn that was intense |
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