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The best way to learn how to produceTrance (pg. 4)
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| BOOsTER |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Imagen describing a square to someone who has never ever ever seen a square, then ask them to draw it. |
Square is a two dimensional object which has sides equally long and between each of them is 90° angle...can you draw it?
If you can't maybe you should go back to elementary school...
Then google...is one of the things that an average internet user (who was able to find TA) should be able to use and handle at least on an average level...so this argument ain't valid either...
to the topic:
Over the years I have myself shared about few hundreds patches for reason, some were better, some worse...
I have written a tutorial about basses and kicks also which I believe is somewhere in the tutorial master list.
I have seen many more professional producers give out patches for free. Let's name Airbase who kindly gave away his best reason patches. Thrillseekers aka. Steve Helstrip who is kindly offering many of his sounds and patches on his site.
Serp, headstrong and many others have also donated their samples to the community...
now please, dear topic starter, stop whining about people not sharing anything, you just have to look harder :p
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Just so you can't say I am bulling you...
here's a bunch of reason patches: http://tmp.djbooster.net/mine.zip
here's the bass/kick tutorial: http://tutorials.djbooster.net |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by BOOsTER
Square is a two dimensional object which has sides equally long and between each of them is 90° angle...can you draw it?
If you can't maybe you should go back to elementary school...
Then google...is one of the things that an average internet user (who was able to find TA) should be able to use and handle at least on an average level...so this argument ain't valid either...
to the topic:
Over the years I have myself shared about few hundreds patches for reason, some were better, some worse...
I have written a tutorial about basses and kicks also which I believe is somewhere in the tutorial master list.
I have seen many more professional producers give out patches for free. Let's name Airbase who kindly gave away his best reason patches. Thrillseekers aka. Steve Helstrip who is kindly offering many of his sounds and patches on his site.
Serp, headstrong and many others have also donated their samples to the community...
now please, dear topic starter, stop whining about people not sharing anything, you just have to look harder :p
EDIT:
Just so you can't say I am bulling you...
here's a bunch of reason patches: http://tmp.djbooster.net/mine.zip
here's the bass/kick tutorial: http://tutorials.djbooster.net |
That still doesn't tell you what a square is.
About google, you have as much chance of finding what your for on google, as you do looking into a snake hole. Esp, if you don't know which terms to search. I remember when i was looking for the kj classic collection, and i didn't find them untill page 27...no one wants to waste an hour, hour and a half, just to find somethign that they can easly ask about on a forum or chat room. Google is what you use when no one in the immediate availble access knows about what your requesting. Ie, its a last resort. Simply because how unable you are to find what you want with it. I can think of many things i have been looking for, that after 30+ pages, [or simply no results or 1-2pages] have still not found, that i could easly find by asking someone.
giveing away patches and samples, is like giving a community of millionares, a few pennies. You don't learn anything form a patch or samples, because patches and samples are content. Not learning tools. And as has been proven [proven by the fact that many people still post about these things] text documents arn't a very good teacher either.
I think video tutorials along wiht projects, so the person can see and hear how something is being done, is alot better than reading a document that only gives the person a hypothosis or theroy, and the user is left to thier own to udnerstand/produce it.
Trance is flooded with crappy music like it is soly because too many s didn't offer to teach/help the noobs, that the noobs stayed nooby, and they poluted the industry.
I think people who have knowlage about something, are obligated to share it. If they don't, they are lazy farks and should be cast out, lol.
I hate how many people confuse poor learning tools/aid, with noob lazyness, people are quick to think someone is lazy or wants the easy way out. When infact the problem is that the people who know, arn't doing to teach others what they know.
\And then to get mad at a 'nooby question' is just assanine and arrogant. |
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| Omega_Blue |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
That still doesn't tell you what a square is. |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by Omega_Blue
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lol |
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| richg101 |
| ffs. if u are really that interested in edm production then it wont hurt you to spend a few years learning how to make it. ta has enough resources to teach a complete newb how to produce. all you have to put in is some patience and love for music production. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| If you look at somebody's session files and simply copy them, you are learning how to do stuff by rote. "How-to" guides, ideally, will give you a deeper understanding of what's going on at each point in a track, synth, or signal path, not just a "paint by numbers" kit. But people are too lazy to read, comprehend, and apply the knowledge gained. They want it all set out for them, premade and ready to be copied. |
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| DJMiakoda |
I don't think it's really laziness, more of an inclination to learn by example which might just work better for the person requesting the information.
Learning by example sometimes has greater benefits.
Take for instance manufacturing, application engineers (one's who learn from years on the job, being trained by example) are far more valuable than engineers straight out of college with no real experience, trust me, I get paid well for what I do and I'm always in demand.
I learned most of what I know from working with people and having them show me how they do what they do.
I know for a fact, I would be no where close to where I am today if I tried to learn it all from any form of literature.
In fact, most of the people you find in the trades that command good salaries and have tons of knowledge learned from on the job training, not so much from books, facts and figures.
Granted, obviously some of the information they require for learning will in fact come from books, but on the job training is proving time and time again an invaluable source.
Just one example.
Another example; aircraft pilots.
Again, they learn a great deal from books but they wouldn't be able to fly that plane without an experienced instructor along side, teaching them the ropes.
Would you want to jump on a commercial airliner if you knew the pilot had no training other than what he read?
I don't think I would.
Learning by example has been around since the beginning of man, you can say all you want about it, but this is a fact.
Cavemen didn't write books and sell them about how to start fires and cook they're food as far as I know.
If people want to be stingy about their stuff, fine, don't contribute, but to say it's stupid to teach by example is basically saying human nature is stupid.
My $.02 |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Teaching by example is great, but giving somebody a session file over the Internet is the equivalent of giving an engineering student the finished product and saying, "Go!" There's no interactivity like there is with an actual "apprentice" system. |
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| DJMiakoda |
True but, apprenticing obviously isn't a practical solution unless of course somebody here with a great deal of experience wants to spend the time apprenticing every noob that comes here looking for help.
Basically the next best way to lead by example is sharing your abilities and knowledge via session files.
Than it's up to the noob to take advantage of the work, basically reverse engineer it and figure out how it all goes together. |
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| thoughtlessjex |
That square example really is a bad argument. Everything in math is rigorously defined so that theoretically anyone who knows the basics can understand the more complex concepts. That's why it's math.
| quote: | | Google is what you use when no one in the immediate availble access knows about what your requesting. Ie, its a last resort. |
No.
No. No. No. Oh my God, no. I can't possibly express within the word limit of this post how wrong this is. If you can't find what you're looking for with Google, then it's no wonder you need a session file to teach you how to produce.
Google is the first place you look for information, you just need to use the right keywords. This place is your last resort, as is any forum. And even then, you should use the search function before you post. Posting in a forum is for the information that literally cannot be found anywhere else.
| quote: | | Trance is flooded with crappy music like it is soly because too many s didn't offer to teach/help the noobs, that the noobs stayed nooby, and they poluted the industry. |
No, trance sucks now because there's a template. Ie, there is the abstract equivalent of a session file on which producers can trace their own half-assed ideas without even thinking about how the song needs to be written. They are shown how to make a trance track but they don't learn. This is what everyone who refuses to give a session file here is saying. No matter whether you are learning from someone or on your own, you learn by doing and making mistakes, developing problem solving skills. You do not learn from having someone guide your hand.
In fact, the apprentice system takes more from the "learn by doing" philosophy and that of a guiding hand. There may be examples to learn by in this system, but they're always accompanied by the critiques and comments of the master.
Ultimately it is knowing what not to do that tells you what you should do. This is why it is valuable to make mistakes and have them be criticised. I feel like I've learned more from putting my finished works on the promotion forum than from reading here. And if I hadn't put them there, I'm sure I'd be in much worse shape, because it's not examples or tutorials that teach you, it's making mistakes and knowing what those mistakes are. |
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| BOOsTER |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
That still doesn't tell you what a square is.
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You should be able to draw it unless your IQ is less than 50 or so..
I won't say anything to your other statements because they just seem stupid to me...:rolleyes: |
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| cronodevir |
Well, from my expriense google is a horrid way to find things, because you just don't.
You give a person a session file so they learn the technical stuff. Trance shouldn't take "a few years to learn".....trance is an extremely simple form of music, there is nothing complicated in the entire genra or history of trance and its sub genras. If there was proper resources, someone could master any daw within a year. The only thing left is form the person to have creativity and ideas, those of which are not learned. Don't confuse someone giveing someone a session file to see technical details, with giveing someone a template. If the person is unable to producer somethign without that template, after haveing studies it for a month or so, then that is a fault on them, and they will never learn, period. lost cuase. and people who are obviously useing a premade template for thier work [anyone who wants to sound EXACTLY like a top 10 dj for example] should be told abotu what they are doing, and why it sucks.
Your not telling them what meldoies to use, which samples or presets, your telling them how to build a track, where to saw and where to glue and where to put nails. Your not telling them what to build, which matierals to use, whichx paint etc etc. |
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