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| RANDOMACCESS |
Hello everybody, I spent hours and hours reading this forum to understand and learn how to produce trance. We share information using this forum and then we try what we read.
Im getting a little bit tired of reading how to and trying it on my DAW. But there is another way to learn, YES! and it is sharing the important stuff like sessions files. Why nobody share a single session file?? .rns, .ftl, live, etc...
If you are good producing trance why dont you share a file with all this forum?? It is almost imposible to get any good example like that online. As soon as you can see on your screen whats going on you know what to do. How to put the side chain, how to set the compressors, how to EQ, how to use the gate, etc.
If i send you a midi file or a .rns file with a nu skool breaks, you could learn in an easy way and faster than the bla bla bla, try this try that move the knob to position 6.0004 and then bla bla bla. Everybody can see that and learn when is in front of your eyes.
It takes 45 min to write how to use a side chain compressor properly, to explain how does it affect drastically the sound of the bass, the groove etc, but, it takes 5 minutes to figured out, learn, and experiment if you have a .rns file with the side chain compressor working.
Now, is there any generous soul in the whole web who want to help the world and upload a nice track session?
is it so hard to ask?
The same thing about sound desing. Why people spent so much time writing and writing?? it is really cool to impress everybody with your knowlege, but a sound probably is a 500kbytes file. Why people just dont upload the file and leave the student/begginer/expert deal with the files????????????????
I spent hours in my virus TI producing sounds, if you ask me how to get that saw, that lead, that pad, or that bass sound i will send you the file and you will be happy, i will not write the bible and then leave you in the silence of the words.
there is just ONE kick sample in the forum (ahh and also a supersaw for the combinator, reason), and hundreds of threads explaining how to do it. Lets use a little bit of rational logic, lets share !! dont be a selfish!!!! A file Worth A Thousand files.
Thanks a lot.
Giovanni. |
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| Khayat |
Might be a good I idea but i bet that 90% of the people will copy the same thing and if the file has samples they will copy the rack with samples with the whole patch without giving about learning.
I think the main Idea behind the WRITING "is to try it yourself" then after you try you might look at the .rsn file to see your mistake if your output isn't the same.That is why most of the tutorial books have pdf files and music files to read and try then look back to the file as a refrence
But as said its a good I idea IMO but it has to used in a away to improve not to make it easier for people beacause this wont help them on the long run |
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| Storyteller |
Basically what is said one post up :). But it wasn't there when I started writing this. :rolleyes:
Music has never really been an open source community after the tracking days I'm afraid. Everybody is afraid to get ripped off somehow by sharing their own material. |
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| Khayat |
| I totally agree with you man there thousand of tunes i listen to and say where did I hear that bass where did I hear that kick and so on |
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| RANDOMACCESS |
I am talking about something like this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5ee...related&search=
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlyntTZgdyc
Files and session:
http://www.abletonguru.com/tutorial...n/sidechain.zip
Do you think people is going to say "ohh, i already listen to that side chain compressor??????""
Anybody who watch this just learned what is a side chain compressor and is experimenting in the next 5 min. (is going to be late tomorrow at his job!!)
You can use that exact loop and make a track with it if you want, but thats up to you. The main idea is to learn. To advance, not to be mediocre and copy things.
Lets be honest, how many tracks in this forum (in the promoting tracks section) are ready to rock a dance floor?? 10% knows how to use a compressor, some people dont even use it!!! not because they are stupids and we are the intelligents, is just because the method of explaining-teaching is Wrong.
I am talking about helping eachother in this real hard carrer we choose.
Also, lets say you have good contacts, armin is your friend, everybody from euphonic records are friends of you but your tracks sucks, and your brother's friend has killer tunes and he is 10years young. why avoid help? Why people dont share their contacts??? is people afraid to see somebody's success???
thanks a lot for all the replies!!!
giovanni. |
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| G-Con |
On the whole I think this is a good idea. Not so much to share sound patches. If I've created a hot sound, I want it for myself, not to give for others. Anyway there are plenty of free patches out there for people already.
But I think the idea of people sharing session files showing as mentioned how SC compression is setup in ableton or perhaps how to setup more complex routing or whatever could be a good idea for beginners to get their head round how things are setup.
Of course it could be argued that they should just rtfm like the rest of us did :D |
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| godsendxd |
Learn by practice ive been production now for about 3 years still not perfect but coming along .Try to be original as much as you can.
As for shareing sound patches you probably dont want to :)! |
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| DigiNut |
Session files are just examples. Examples can help someone learn a specific technique (i.e. side-chained bassline) but they're actually counterproductive in learning "how to produce" because people have a natural tendency to work around examples.
The worst [productions / designs / code / essays / etc.] are very often the result of somebody taking an example, not really understanding it, and changing things randomly until the result looks superficially like what they wanted. If you want to teach someone how to play the piano, you don't sit them in front of a player-piano and tell them to watch the keys. The skill isn't in knowing what's there, it's knowing how to get there. There's a world of difference between seeing a finished product (and inevitably going "oh, that makes perfect sense") and actually getting there when you don't actually know what the finished product will look or sound like.
You're talking mostly about a technique here - sidechain compression in a specific sequencer - that's fine, I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't mind doing up an example for that; in fact I'm fairly certain I can recall one or two people on this forum doing exactly that. It's just when you get into anything that's more stylistic or theory-oriented, like track arrangement, that examples are useless because all they can do is show you how to produce tracks that are exactly like someone else's tracks (and we already have enough of those). |
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| Subtle |
| Digi is our wise nut ;) |
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| Vizay |
I can only agree 100% with digi...
a little question, have you ever asked anyone for a session file, patch or anything like that?
of course theese forums are a great source for learning but don't expect that everyone will throw their knowledge at you and by auto make you better at it.
Most of us gladly share a lot of stuff we sit on but it would be pretty time consuming to throw it out on everyone in here just because... |
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| ralpheeee |
Hi!
This is a good suggestion, might I suggest that you just go to http://www.propellerheads.se/ ( reason site ). You can download thousands of premade tracks and analyze them all you want.
Personaly I've never realy found it that helpfull. Yes you can see how they got the result, but as someone posted b4, its more about knowing how to get there yourself.
I remember when i first started looking at stuff like that i was like "WTF". |
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| RANDOMACCESS |
Im going to talk about my personal experience with trance music. Maybe i can express in a better way what is what im looking for and why i am talking about practical exampes (files).
I studied music since i was 9.
Then i studied production and sound desing. I've dedicated a lot of time to music. After i got graduated and thanks to the networking i build on my university i begin to work producing electronic music for differents companies, tv advertising ,tv programs, Radio, movies, friends and for my band. Most of this network was based on Hip hop/gfunk/nubreaks enviroment. Which was very far away from trance music. Then 3 years ago i became a huge fan of trance music. I stoped producing any other style of music. composing trance music has became my obssesion. on that time i have my recording studio, my synths and a new toy, a Virus TI, so i thought composing trance was going to be as complex as composing any other style i've composed before. I was very far away from that. I found trance very complicated to make it sound strong, like Ronsky Speed, Analog fell, above & beyond, blank and jones , etc. I can desing amazing sounds for trance, make a really good bass and a fresh lead,a good sequence and build ups. but when everything is mixed the track is good musically but sonicly is not trance. I am not use to the EQs, Compressors, reverbs and gates settings and configurations for trance fx and mastering. So at the end of the story the track is good but is taking a long time for me to experiment about the final general sound of the track. I tried to get involved into the theory, but i cant find any book, enciclopedy, Course, tutorial, etc, based on trance music composition and mix. It is plenty of crap about blues, jazz, pop, hip hop, rock, but not trance. The only thing i found was a DVD released "The trance experience" Fassbender’s release. But not much more information. The global sound of the track in trance music is essential. Your track sounds strong and punchy or not. I know about many books talking about whats trance and where does it came from, but not about orchestation, arranging, composing, FX, mixing and mastering trance productions.
Ahh yes,also this magazine, Computer music, has a "trance tuttorial" 1,2,3. A really basic and almost useless tuttorial. Thats all the information i know is available. For example, if you need to produce hip hop, you know what kinds of frecuencies you need to use in the bass line and the kick and what kind of compressor and eq differents settings you need to use to get "that" punch. I know trance music has this kind of thing too.
2 questions:
Do you know any other source of information about trance? books, web pages, tuttorials, dvds, universities, courses, etc?
Whats your favorite trance sound library or patches sample cd?
Thanks a lot!
Gio. |
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