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The best way to learn how to produceTrance (pg. 7)
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| B_man |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
most of the music i make, doesn't require it [ie, it sounds like i want it without it]..and the genra itself doesn't really call for it...psy/goa trance require very little. Mostly because, generally speaking, no one cares.
However with comercial trance, its diffrent because everyone is trying to get paid, so they want to sound as 'professinal' as possiable. Reguardless to the fact that thier song consists of a cheezy 1 bar melody which is repated over and over with a supersaw. |
Sorry... psy/goa trance requires just as much mixing and mastering as "commercial" trance (cheese or not). In fact, I think some of the mixing on many goa albums that I've listened to is superior from the majority of the pack. It's all about stereo fidelity and fine engineering in any genre. It really does count. Just listen to the loopage of a good full-on psy trance and listen to the crystal clear psy-kick, the brooding dark bassline that rumbles and growls in the lowest frequencies without disturbing the chunk of the kick, and the tumbling of acid and tell me that you aren't giving the engineering your all on all the available frequencies you are toying with. |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | | Originally posted by DJMiakoda |
Respect to you for wanting to learn, but I can promise you that you won't find much in them, at least that you won't find by looking through the tutorials that already come with your program, or reading through the forums, or listening to other trance music critically. |
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| LENG |
alright, just as you guys thought that it's almost impossible to find source files in this forum, here's one.
made this on cans, so it may not sound at it's best in terms of sound quality. it's written with fruity stocks so you should have no problem hearing all the sounds in the file (only if you are using fruity tho).
this flp is intended for the originator of the thread and to all newbies who are looking for stuffs like these.
Download: [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by B_man
Sorry... psy/goa trance requires just as much mixing and mastering as "commercial" trance (cheese or not). In fact, I think some of the mixing on many goa albums that I've listened to is superior from the majority of the pack. It's all about stereo fidelity and fine engineering in any genre. It really does count. Just listen to the loopage of a good full-on psy trance and listen to the crystal clear psy-kick, the brooding dark bassline that rumbles and growls in the lowest frequencies without disturbing the chunk of the kick, and the tumbling of acid and tell me that you aren't giving the engineering your all on all the available frequencies you are toying with. |
Really? I have been on alot of psy/goa related forums, such as psynews.org..., for a long long time, and i rarely see anything about mixing and EQ, i find it to be one of the least mentioned things. So i figured it wasn't that important. How ever, if alot of psy/goa producers do mixdown, i certainly can't tell. Either that, or i don't know the proper meaning of mix down, lol.
If mixing and eq means getting a sound just how you want it while your building the sound/patch then yeah, that is done alot, but as for going to the master channel, and slaping a kompressor and an EQ on it and every other channel, then no, i don't do any of that, nor have a need to.
I build the climax of my tracks first, and i balence/level the sounds and make sure they flow. After that, my 'mixing' and EQing is done. After that, i build down to silence on both ends of the song. And then maby add a second or 3rd [or even a 4th or 5th' climax] And build down again. Which, from what i have been told, is a rather strange way of building a track. [the whole, start with climax and build down idea] but anyways, yeah. And the way i do it, is by no means 50% of the work, its more like 10% of the work. Mostly impart because the sounds i make in a synth don't need much tweakage. Unless i am useing the EQ/compressor/whatever as an FX and not a 'fix-it' tool. [which is the majority of the time, i use them as effects]
What do you mean by mixdown/eqing etc etc? |
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| ASFSE |
step 1: open your mind
step 2: use your brain
step 3: study
step 4: passion
step 5: perceive, listen
step 6: regurgitate
step 7: practice
step 8: COMMON SENSE |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
I have been through the learning process actually, and i don't care much for fine tuneing mixing and that stuff, because most of the music i make, doesn't require it |
Then why even comment? If you don't make trance, if your "learning process" didn't include mixing (haha), then how could you possibly know how useful a session file would be to someone wanting to learn how to produce music that you don't even produce? |
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| cronodevir |
| If i was learning, and i was in need of a session file, id rather have one for a diffrent subgenra, then to have none at all. I also don't limit myself to JUST goa either, so in my case, it would be helpful reguardless. |
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| SoundMagus |
I have tried to do something similar, but better imho - VIDEO TUTORIALS !!!!
they are free and you can find them on my site - www.soundmagus.co.uk
I will continue to increase the amount of videos on there as i get more requests/suggestions etc from the site contact email.
thanks guys
Mark |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Really? I have been on alot of psy/goa related forums, such as psynews.org..., for a long long time, and i rarely see anything about mixing and EQ, i find it to be one of the least mentioned things. So i figured it wasn't that important. How ever, if alot of psy/goa producers do mixdown, i certainly can't tell. Either that, or i don't know the proper meaning of mix down, lol.
If mixing and eq means getting a sound just how you want it while your building the sound/patch then yeah, that is done alot, but as for going to the master channel, and slaping a kompressor and an EQ on it and every other channel, then no, i don't do any of that, nor have a need to. |
Odd, I produce psy and occasionally goa, and I recognize all of the side effects of proper mixing. You see, proper mixing cannot be directly heard; you can only detect that the mix is clean. This is probably the reason that you can't tell.
But try this. Take a week off. Listen only to professionally produced psy, such as Astral Projection, Asia 2001, Protoculture, Space Cat, Son Kite, Man With No Name, Andromeda, etc. Don't listen to any of your music during this time. And don't listen too hard, just observe the way the music sounds. After a week, go back and listen to one of your tracks. If you don't hear the difference, then there's something wrong with your ears, because I certainly heard it, and I'm sure any other long-term producer here can hear it, too. |
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| mysticalninja |
| I can hear it ;) |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by thoughtlessjex
Odd, I produce psy and occasionally goa, and I recognize all of the side effects of proper mixing. You see, proper mixing cannot be directly heard; you can only detect that the mix is clean. This is probably the reason that you can't tell.
But try this. Take a week off. Listen only to professionally produced psy, such as Astral Projection, Asia 2001, Protoculture, Space Cat, Son Kite, Man With No Name, Andromeda, etc. Don't listen to any of your music during this time. And don't listen too hard, just observe the way the music sounds. After a week, go back and listen to one of your tracks. If you don't hear the difference, then there's something wrong with your ears, because I certainly heard it, and I'm sure any other long-term producer here can hear it, too. |
Of the artists you name, i also found that i liked very little of thier work. Heh. Most of the artists i enjoy aren't really considered 'pro'..now, they are top notch, they just don't have the popularity i guess of some of the others. Which i personally think is good, because i have noticed that more popularity = less quality music [creativity wise] That is just my observation, almsot any big name artist you could name, i prolly don't like mos tof thier stuff, like astral projection for instance, i only really like one of thier tracks, the same with infected mushroom, only one. Useualy because the other tracks sound like basic trance but with goa-like sounds.
Alot of the artists i like are Gataka, Cybernetika, CHia-Ad, Cubensis Theroy, most of the artists involved with cosmic flower aswell. Such as stuff by Big Bacterials, Electromonk, Kalki, Yawning Master etc etc..
Anyways, sorry to over elborate on my tastes, i know what your talking about in terms of the mixing etc etc. I think the diffrence can be heard quite well actually. How each sound is heard amoung the other ones, the levels of each sound in relation to the rest, yes yes. ...but that taking '50%' of the time..i hardly think so. Personally with me, once i get a track done, i'm not really conserned about the fine details. When i know only a small portion of the people will hear my track. I'm not really into sounding like the industry standards.
And that is probably because i don't ever plan on haveing more than a little population of people listening to my stuff. to me, wether someone elses track si mixed well or not doesn't change wether i like it or not. Like wise, as an artist, i don't think people really care either, as long as everything is audiable and seperated, and it doesn't kill your speakers with peaks, than that is enough. I make music as a hobby, i don't spend time makeing my trracks sound really pro, because i don't ever plan on going pro. I won't ever need to fine tailor my track so a label will take it, because well, there is no money in music anymore. Lol.
Basicly, i don't think alot of fine tuneing even matters, as a listener and as an artist. Sounding good technically, and fine tuneing are two diffrent things, the thing i call 'mixing' that i do, takes less than 5 minute working on the mixer. Then my 'mixing' is done. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by SoundMagus
I have tried to do something similar, but better imho - VIDEO TUTORIALS !!!!
they are free and you can find them on my site - www.soundmagus.co.uk
I will continue to increase the amount of videos on there as i get more requests/suggestions etc from the site contact email.
thanks guys
Mark |
So those are your tutorial videos on your space? I'm sure a lot of people would be interested and I'd like to link those on the sticky list, just want to make sure you won't run into bandwidth problems. What I'd probably do is link directly to 2 or 3 of the hot topics and put a site link for the others. |
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