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The best way to learn how to produceTrance (pg. 5)
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Imagen describing a square to someone who has never ever ever seen a square |
You do realize that you essentially just said, "imagine that you're talking to a bunch of people who are either blind from birth or complete ing idiots". I suppose you're right, those people would need a lot more hand-holding - but sorry, this isn't the Special Ed class.
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
About google, you have as much chance of finding what your for on google, as you do looking into a snake hole. Esp, if you don't know which terms to search. |
You're not going to have any more success on a forum than you are on Google if you don't even know how to ask your question. The one exception is when you're trying to figure out how to synthesize a specific sound, and people here do try to help with that.
| quote: | | I remember when i was looking for the kj classic collection, and i didn't find them untill page 27 |
I assume you're talking about the Kjaerhus classic collection, in which case, you found no results because you had the wrong name. OK, you say it's a difficult name to remember with the non-Anglicized spelling; fair enough, a search for "classic compressor" would have turned up their home page on the first page of results.
I call bull here. Either you're totally making up your "facts", or you're a moron.
| quote: | | giveing away patches and samples, is like giving a community of millionares, a few pennies. You don't learn anything form a patch or samples, because patches and samples are content. Not learning tools. |
Patches are a lot more analogous to track arrangements than they are to pennies. In both cases, it's the finished product of a tedious and difficult process.
| quote: | | And as has been proven [proven by the fact that many people still post about these things] text documents arn't a very good teacher either. |
That proves absolutely nothing other than the fact that some people aren't willing to do their own research, and have no problem wasting somebody else's time even though their own time is apparently extremely valuable.
| quote: | | Trance is flooded with crappy music like it is soly because too many s didn't offer to teach/help the noobs, that the noobs stayed nooby, and they poluted the industry. |
You keep telling yourself that.
| quote: | | I think people who have knowlage about something, are obligated to share it. |
People do share their "knowlage" (ugh). They just don't share their hard work for free. You're not asking for information from somebody, you're asking them to do work for you. If somebody is feeling particularly magnanimous and wants to do this for a total stranger, kudos to them, but they certainly aren't obligated and you have no right to demand it.
And please, for God's sake, either download IESpell or upgrade to Firefox 2.0. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
your telling them how to build a track, where to saw and where to glue and where to put nails. |
This is the perfect example. You think that music production is paint-by-numbers and not real art. That is precisely the reason nobody wants to help you. |
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| cronodevir |
Patch production is by no means hard and tedious work, LOL. I can pump out a patch in 5 minutes. Patch production is probably the easyest part of production there is. If you find it difficult, then you need to learn what you are doing. There is nothing in trance production i would find hard other than finding a melody that hasn't been used already..the actual doing or 'work' part of it is a breeze if you know what your doing. If you have mastered your tools.
You said patch production was hard, Lol. K.
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Share their hard work for free, again, what hard work are you talking about? We are talking about shareing common knowlage to those who don't know. As one user said, there are no 'secrets' in music production. And as i said, fine, if you won't share, others will. And all you do is make yourself an ass by coveting soemthing everyone already knows.
What ever you may say about google, and it beign the answer to every question in life, i'll just say this, i have been posting on forums for a long time now, and almost every question i ever posted was answered within hours. Its either spend 1 minute writing a question, and having someone else spend 1 minute writing a answer, or you can spend 30-1hr-mnay hrs, on google searching aimlessly. Also, forums are a garanteed answer. You WILL get an answer if you ask properly, on google you may not. |
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| cronodevir |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
This is the perfect example. You think that music production is paint-by-numbers and not real art. That is precisely the reason nobody wants to help you. |
No, i think trance production is paint by numbers. Unfortinaly, any year starting with 2, has only given us paint by numbers trance. |
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| BOOsTER |
ffs...patches aren't a hard work? well...go download my reason patches, take the patch called Tiesto Synth var B. play it without looking at what's inside the comby and recreate it just by ear... :p
or not, because you actually would just copy my combinator and rename a few devices right?
Now please, shut up about trance being just numbers...it's just that you don't look hard enough, there's a lot of trance tunes with emotions and solid feelings put in...
That's not what I would consider paint by numbers...
and Sound-Design being matter of 5 minutes....now excuse me, but LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL what a dumb piece of you are... :rolleyes: |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Patch production is by no means hard and tedious work, LOL. I can pump out a patch in 5 minutes. Patch production is probably the easyest part of production there is. |
Sure, if all you want to make is supersaw leads and not anything more interesting.
| quote: | | If you find it difficult, then you need to learn what you are doing. There is nothing in trance production i would find hard other than finding a melody that hasn't been used already.. |
Coming up with a good melody is hard for many people. But if you think everything else is easy, then you must be making easy -- crap -- trance.
| quote: | | You said patch production was hard, Lol. K. |
Producing interesting, unique patches can be very hard, yes. On the other hand, if you just want to produce derivative crap, then making patches is really easy.
| quote: | | And as i said, fine, if you won't share, others will. And all you do is make yourself an ass by coveting soemthing everyone already knows. |
If there are so many people willing to share, what's this whining thread doing here in the first place? :haha: |
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| thoughtlessjex |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
Don't confuse someone giveing someone a session file to see technical details, with giveing someone a template. |
I don't, but lazy people who know nothing about production at all very well may. Furthermore, no one is opposed to giving out a session file that explains a specific technical issue. I myself have done it, as have several people here. I've also seen videos and picture tutorials. Patches show up here all the time, too. If you have all of these things, why do you need a full-fledged track? Beyond what is already here, it teaches only things that can only be learned from experience.
| quote: | | Trance shouldn't take "a few years to learn".....trance is an extremely simple form of music, there is nothing complicated in the entire genra or history of trance and its sub genras. |
| quote: | | No, i think trance production is paint by numbers. Unfortinaly, any year starting with 2, has only given us paint by numbers trance. |
Gah! Why are you even producing trance if you know jack about it? |
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| Beyer |
| quote: | Originally posted by cronodevir
trance is an extremely simple form of music, there is nothing complicated in the entire genra or history of trance and its sub genras. |
:wtf: Good luck to you sir. |
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| Storyteller |
| Stop taking the bait people. Check his myspace. He's really on top of his game. His pictures are too. |
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| ASFSE |
| wow im just loling at all going on in here...hahahaaa |
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| cronodevir |
All that mp3 is, is a bunch of FM sounds. Not that hard to do.
I do know jack , enough to know that everything in the past 7 years has been pretty much garbage. Its my reason for listening to goa, and alot of the 'not so known' type of artists. :P
As for patches, a super saw doesn't even take 30 seconds. And makeing a patch that is in itself its own track is not what i am talking about either. Such patches are pretty pointless. The VAST vast, majority of of sounds can be made fairly easly. If it takes more than an hour or so to make what you are trying to make, then it is only because you lack the proper skill to do it. Period. Or you don't know what you want, which isn't a matter of skill, but creativity. For instance, every default patch in z3ta can be made in less than an hour, most in less than 30 minutes, from scratch.
Coming up with a melody is hard for many because many others say you don't need music theory, just make 'what ever sounds good'. If you have a solid knowlage on scales, chords and other elements, as long as you have the creativity, you can produce any melody you want.
And just because everything else is easy for soemone, doesn't mean they produce crap trance. It means they know wtf they are doing. With any art, you should master your tools, otherwise you will fail immensly, i doubt any musicians or painters 100 years or so ago comaplined about not being able to handle a paint brush or play a violin. Infact, i'm willing to bet the actual useing of thier tools was the easyest part, and it is for me. The hard part is the creativity aspect, what kind of scale should my next track be in, how do i want it to sound, etc etc..thats the hard part, but once you have the vision, you can have a track in a matter of days. If you know what your doing, of course.
To many people today actually don't know what they are doing so much to a point where they think [as evident in this thread] everyone has a hard time. Things are hard only if you make them that way, come on, everyone knows that.
Dumb POS? I am sorry you are inadquate enough that you cannot produce a patch in a normal amount of time. And that you feel the need to curse someone who can.
Reason patches are hard work because reason is a program to use. IMHO.
So theres alot of trance tunes with feelings emotiosn etc...that doesn't mean it isn't trance by numbers.
Any more people want to compline about how hard life is, and how hard it is to make trance?
If you have a problem with helping others fine, but as i posted before, if anyone wants an example project or the like, just hit me up, and i'll be glad to help.
[oh, i'm bad because my myspace page now?, pft.] |
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