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Will Deadmau5 be remembered as a pioneer ? (pg. 2)
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| nefardec |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sadface
"Pioneer" might be too strong a word, but you can't deny that he's had an enormous impact on progressive house over the past year. |
pioneer has nothing to do with this
pioneers are the first to do something. simple as that
deadmau5 - prolific, successful, young, quick rise to fame
but in no way a pioneer of any kind of style or technique. i think he would be the first to admit that
i'm not saying he's not good at what he does. (he is) |
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| LionsLair |
Hasnt most of his fame come from infamy?
Faxing Berlin was great, and one of my top 20 tracks of last year...but the avg talk about Deadmau5 is scandelous drama related stuff, not really zomg hes teh best. |
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| humilis |
| How old is the thread starter? 15 years at the most? |
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| RapidFire |
| quote: | Originally posted by LionsLair
Hasnt most of his fame come from infamy?
Faxing Berlin was great, and one of my top 20 tracks of last year...but the avg talk about Deadmau5 is scandelous drama related stuff, not really zomg hes teh best. |
thats only around here though, really. |
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| humilis |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
A pioneer of what? |
Pioneer of using the same template song in his all works? |
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| LionsLair |
| quote: | Originally posted by RapidFire
thats only around here though, really. |
Well besides TA the other big producer talk forum is GlobalUnderground...its the same over there. |
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| RapidFire |
| quote: | Originally posted by LionsLair
Well besides TA the other big producer talk forum is GlobalUnderground...its the same over there. |
as much as I agree with the opinions of both forums, we represent a really small fraction of the clubbing world... |
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| DaveT |
Across all the genres of EDM, I would say Sander van Doorn has had a much more powerful rise in getting more respect for what he has done in both his productions and what he brings in his sets. Everyone and their mother I know who like either prog house, trance, techno, etc but not the others think highly of him...and honetly, he probably deserves all the respect he's getting.
If there's one thing that I personally think has held Sander van Doorn from getting a big club crowd following in the US, it's that he's been trying to tour EVERYWHERE and hasn't put a lot of focus on the bigger markets like most DJs who get a big following do during their rise. Sander's first ever booking in North America was here in SF in January 2006. Amazing night. I was blown away as I did not expect much from him and he's only impressed me more since -- can say he's my fav DJ and producer these days, but everything I'm saying here is spoken with no intention of bias. Anyhow, this man did something I had never seen done at the club that night. He actually caused all the other rooms to empty out (other than the hip-hop room, but that doesn't count)...and come to the main room. This includes a plane ole house room and a fast as hell (typically epic or hard) trance room (think 145!)...he literally drew people into the main room and kept them there going nuts all night. It was magical.
I talked so much about him the promoter I help out (Spundae) booked him for like two of their WMC parties in March 2006...I was hoping to see him back here soon after that, but he didn't come back to the west coast until June 2007,..18 months later! He came in (playing for Spundae this time) with his momentum lost and then threw down another amazing set...then went to LA the next night and played for Spundae down there and it was a night he calls one of the best of his career...momentum gained...well, he's not here until next month for the first time since....10 months later...momentum largely lost again. If he wants to build himself up in the big markets where EDM is a much bigger thing he need to come around every six months or so on average. When he's finally up there with the top-tier DJs in popularit (and it'll happen, trust me!) then he can take those long as breaks because then demand will just be enormous for him by the fans when they hear he's finally coming back, hehe...
Anyhow, that's my only complaint with him and they major drawback from a potentially explosive rise in the US. His people need to focus on getting his name big in the bigger markets. LA, NYC, SF, Chicago, and DC are probably the most important US cities for him...he needs to be in these cities as much as he can (as in ever six months) doing weekend gigs...and if he wants to do some smaller cities get booked in those places on thursday nights (Denver has a pretty well known EDM night on Thursdays...scene there is a quietly hopping place. They get amazing lineups there and it's a city no one really mentions too much). Promoters want to book him. They want that relationship now so as he gets bigger there's a much better chance he'll stick with that promoter as long as they treat him right and have their events and a venue with a good reputation/capacity.
OK, back to Deadmau5...
Now I like Deadmau5's stuff...but of course a lot of his tracks do sound similar and overall he hasn't shown to be really dynamic in his productions. He's going to have to be because the style he made so popular is gonna lose it's popularity. With some people it's becoming a joke...I have even seen a DJ play an hour of their set with purely Deadmau5 tracks and tracks from other artists that sound like Deadmau5 just to confuse people cause they think it's all Deadmau5! He just decided to screw around because he found humor in how all these tracks from different producers sounded the same for the most part.
If Deadmau5 just shows a bit more dynamics he'll be fine. He's actually prett solid live. He's played here in SF twice in the last 4 months and while his set a few weeks ago was just pretty solid (and weak compared to James Zabiela's set), everyone was really shocked by how good he can be when he first played here in December. And I've even seen reviews in recent months from other cities where the say he was outstanding and didn't even play his popular tracks!
So he's got the skills to make in big in the EDM world, he just needs to find new ideas for beats and sounds in his productions and not rely on having so much of it sound remotely the same. Seems like there were quite a few producers who started to make waves like five ears ago but then all their tracks had the same repitition to them...and those who didn't adjust aren't around anymore. |
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| LionsLair |
Deadmau5 is talented producer, he is in the upper echelon as far as sound engineering goes, and is fairly good at arrangement, EDM music theory, club music theory. And for the most part these days hes competing with producers who dont know how to use a compressor or how to monitor their music, so Deadmau5 well produced music stands out amongst a sea of mediocore sound for competition.
That aside If you skim through the tracks he gave away, again musically hes talented, more talented than maybe 80% of producers who have music on Beatport. But again as far as his fame goes at the moment...most of it comes from infamy, between having his name on remixes he didnt do or the deadrat6 fiascos, the 1/8th note bitching, or the marcus schossow rivalry? Producers make a great track for example like Aril Brikha - Winter...and then disappear for a while even though they keep releasing decent music, whats keeping Deadmau5 around is the d.r.a.m.a. |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by LionsLair
... EDM music theory, club music theory... |
What? There's music theory for "EDM music" and "club music"? :stongue: |
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| LionsLair |
| quote: | Originally posted by idoru
What? There's music theory for "EDM music" and "club music"? :stongue: |
Are you a producer or an asshat? NM your question answers that.
All good music has theory behind it, if the producer/composer wants to create good music, he has to understand the theory behind it... |
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| idoru |
| quote: | Originally posted by LionsLair
Are you a producer or an asshat? NM your question answers that.
All good music has theory behind it, if the producer/composer wants to create good music, he has to understand the theory behind it... |
Congratulations on being ignorant and assuming that I have no formal training in music. I mean considering I've played the violin since I was nine, the bass (string and guitar) since I was eleven and the alto saxophone since I was sixteen, I guess that I know absolutely nothing about music, huh? I guess that taking orchestra and jazz band all throughout middle and high schools, as well as jazz history, classical history, studio production and music theory in college means that I know nothing and that I'm just an asshat, huh? Oh, and sure, I don't produce ambient music in my spare time; that must just be me daydreaming. Yeah, I guess you're right. I'm sorry.
I know exactly what I'm talking about, and while I do agree that there is "theory" behind all music (yes, even bad music), there is no specific theory for EDM nor "club music." |
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