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McCain's VP pick (pg. 21)
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
To be fair, he was in office when the asian financial crisis hit.
Smitty, can you point us to wherever you are getting all this info? If you're going to make an argument, it's not particularly compelling when you just say "go search for it yourself" |
I saw it on TV but I'll try to search for something solid. I watch CNN, MSNBC quite frequently and it was on CNN that they broke it down into hard figures I think on Wednesday night on Anderson Cooper 360. He tries to keep his show fair and neutral and it was an economist going over the numbers.
I'll do a search and edit some links on here.
http://origin.barackobama.com/taxes/
http://desertbeacon.blogspot.com/2008/09/average-nevadan-better-off-with-obama.html
http://www.ohboyobama.com/Message/Clobber-McCain-on-the-stump-and-in-debates-with-demo-on-tax-policy (Obama says right here that over 250,000 but under 600,000 get a tax hike of 12 bucks. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Last census showed 1.7 million households making $250,000 or more, so that's about $20 million it'll raise. That could pay for, oh, let's say, 3 hours of interest on the national debt? Or almost a full day of welfare/social security payments for maybe 1/10th of the people on it? Or, oooh, I know, it could run one public hospital for as many as 7 minutes! Just think of all the babies we could save with that money! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! |
you're ignoring the reversal of the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest 1%.
What Obama is doing, or rather what he wants to do, is restructure and redistribute the American tax code. People who make less will get more in their tax rebates, while only the very wealthy see a significant increase. I really don't see why everyone is up in arms about this, especially those who don't even make close to that amount of money.
What in the Republican agenda convinces people that they are the party for the working and middle class American citizen? I simply do not see the appeal. |
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| KaiLee |
| quote: | Originally posted by MarkT
it's ok...because there's also not "hundreds of millions" of people in a financial crisis anyway, given that the entire U.S. population is only slightly over 300 million ;) |
That was a bit of exaggeration on my behalf :p but even people who are making 100K a year are starting to live paycheque to paycheque sadly enough. |
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| Orko |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
I have seen Obama's tax plan vs McCain's tax plan broken down more than once on CNN, MSNBC and even FOX News. I'm sure you can do a search for it. Independent campaign agencies (factcheck.org or something like that) also have consistently reported that McCain's blathering about Obama raising taxes is untrue for the vast majority of Americans. The only bracket that gets hit "hard" are those who make over $600,000 a year. |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
Where are you getting your numbers from? Obama's tax plan has been broken down by economists all over the American media. All you are doing is speculating, while I've actually seen people who know what they're talking about break it down on national TV. |
So all that coverage and you found this?
A break down on his site. Some article that looks like a legit analysis which only applies to the state of Nevada. And a theoretical speech, made up by somebody? In that third article, Obama, does not say a damned thing. That is somebody else writing a speech he COULD say. Did you even read the page?
| quote: | | Here's a simple, effective demo Obama could do on the stump and in the debates: |
None of that was independent (all sites had supporting advertising). One of them wasn't even a real source. Way to research. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Orko
So all that coverage and you found this?
A break down on his site. Some article that looks like a legit analysis which only applies to the state of Nevada. And a theoretical speech, made up by somebody? In that third article, Obama, does not say a damned thing. That is somebody else writing a speech he COULD say. Did you even read the page?
None of that was independent (all sites had supporting advertising). One of them wasn't even a real source. Way to research. |
well dude I am kind of a busy person and I just did a quick google search. They might not be independent, but the basic framework of Obama's tax restructuring plan are there. Let me see if I can find something more "real".
http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/08/calculate-your.html
There's essentially the same breakdown I saw on CNN last week. It's a pretty good graph. Also, I think it's important to note that neither candidate will increase the total figure of tax revenue. McCain will continue Bush's tax policy, while Obama will simply redistribute it. It's a fairly cut and dry issue from my end. the vast majority of Americans stand to gain much more from Obama in this regard. |
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| Skipper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
well dude I am kind of a busy person |
For being so busy you spend a lot of time typing long, knee-jerk reactions to posts on this board. |
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| Dj Smitty20 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Skipper
For being so busy you spend a lot of time typing long, knee-jerk reactions to posts on this board. |
no moreso than others. Aren't we all busy people? :) |
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| DigiNut |
| I'm not speculating about anything, I just did the (very obvious) math. If you believe it to be in error, please feel free to explain how you would arrive at any other figure. |
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| MarkT |
| quote: | Originally posted by KaiLee
That was a bit of exaggeration on my behalf :p but even people who are making 100K a year are starting to live paycheque to paycheque sadly enough. |
true...but they are mostly overextended (i.e. somewhat or overtly irresponsible) who generally chose to put themselves in the precarious situation they are in.
there are few valid excuses to make 100k and be "struggling"...unless you brought it on yourself.
seriously. I see this *daily* with clients... |
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| DigiNut |
| Pretty lame AJ. Some of the Palin stuff was funny, but that's just propaganda. |
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| Abercrombie |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Pretty lame AJ. Some of the Palin stuff was funny, but that's just propaganda. |
Propaganda at its worst is the better description! |
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