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McCain's VP pick (pg. 6)
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by KaiLee
What's wrong with drilling in a wildlife refuge? It became a wildlife refuge for a reason....to protect our environment and the species that were here BEFORE we were. |
Wildlife refuges don't protect the environment, and even that assumes that the environment there needs protection. And I'm not aware of any rule, written or unwritten, stating that whomever was there first owns the place forever. Yes, the wolves were there first, but we grew brains with higher-order reasoning and invented guns and oil refineries. We win.
| quote: | | What's wrong with shooting wolves from the air? That gives hunters a completely unfair advantage over the wolves and is incredibly cruel. |
I see. So shooting them from the ground wouldn't be cruel? Or would you prefer for explorers to go out in parkas and fight the wolves hand-to-paw? I don't see you volunteering.
Since this is all about nature, let's point out at this juncture that all interspecies fights in nature are unfair nights. You're either a natural predator or natural prey. The predator always wins unless the prey runs away and finds someplace else to live. Our natural advantage is our intelligence and opposable digits, which we use to create technology. Mother Nature gave us these things for a reason: so we could exterminate these ing pests and suck out her sweet sweet oil which has been giving her heartburn for billions of years.
| quote: | | This woman obviously could care less about the planet that provides her with a place to live. People like this need to be shipped off to Mars. |
Couldn't care less. The expression is couldn't care less. And I don't know about you, but I pay for my real estate, so I don't think I owe to this planet or anyone else for a place to live. We may or may not be the only sentient life in the universe, but we certainly are on Earth, and this "planet" would be nothing without us. Just a bunch of a stupid animals eating each other and crapping in the woods and sniffing each other's crap-encrusted butts. |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
You mean, the wolves should have a chance to rip out the throats of hunters on the ground? |
Absoinlutely... |
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| KaiLee |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Wildlife refuges don't protect the environment, and even that assumes that the environment there needs protection. And I'm not aware of any rule, written or unwritten, stating that whomever was there first owns the place forever. Yes, the wolves were there first, but we grew brains with higher-order reasoning and invented guns and oil refineries. We win.
I see. So shooting them from the ground wouldn't be cruel? Or would you prefer for explorers to go out in parkas and fight the wolves hand-to-paw? I don't see you volunteering.
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It's pretty obvious we have completely opposite points of view on these matters and I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you on the internet. Maybe you can take your views and use them in real life versus an online forum? It tends to work well :) |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by KaiLee
Maybe you can take your views and use them in real life versus an online forum? It tends to work well :) |
I do. Do you have a point? There's no "versus" - these things aren't mutually exclusive. I suppose maybe you're assuming that I'm afraid to speak my mind face-to-face, but if that's the case, then you clearly haven't done your research.
Not that arguing on the internet isn't a waste of time (I happen to have time to waste at the moment), but if one can't engage in a debate with the security of Google and freeform editing then it's unlikely they'll have much more to say in "real life". |
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| Jayx1 |
McCains whole strategy has been to sit back and wait for Obama to fall on his own arrogance. And it seems to be working. McCain is now ahead by a few points in a race that was supposed to be gift wrapped and handed to the democrats. History shows time and time again that no one likes people to act as if they have won until they actually have.
Anytime now the desperation will come out and the race card will be dropped by the dems now that they can no longer subtly suggest that mccain is a sexist and that more and more its appearing that emperor obama has no clothes. Should be an interesting fall. |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jer
I'll be crystal clear here - I have no bias against Palin, |
She has more executive and political experience than Obama. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dj Smitty20
I honestly think that most Americans who DO care about the issues vote Democrat.
The ones who vote Republican are the wealthy and greedy who cannot see beyond "tax cuts" (which really do little for the working and middle classes anyway), those who are super conservative and think abortion and gay rights is still an important political issue (ing morons), those who have been completely brainwashed by the post 9/11 world and the threat of terrorism(albeit real, but Republican handling of it is beyond stupid). And lastly, you have the completely uneducated voters from the religious and rural states (the South, Texas, mid west, etc).
Those are the people who vote Republican from what I can gather. |
you have pretty much included everyone in the US who isnt an artsy fartsy know it all LOL. Which is why obama probably wont win. Thank god... his socialist ideas will wreak havoc on the world economy.
| quote: | | Oh, and people who say they strongly supported Hillary but then vote McCain are simply whacked. That is such a suck hole attitude! Whatever happened to ing PARTY DISCIPLINE or LOYALTY to your political party's values? |
Whatever happened to voting for the best candidate no matter what party, sex, or colour?
| quote: | | Barack and Hillary essentially stand for the SAME things. Casting your vote for a polar opposite because your candidate didn't win the nomination is childish and simply ing retarded. |
This shows your ignorance. Mccain is very middle of the road and other than the war hes very centrist and in normal times would ALMOST be a democrat in many ways. But yes, compared to the socialist sloth coming out of the democrats these days mccain is quite the opposite.
| quote: | | I can't stand Dion as Liberal leader, but when it comes down to him and control freak facsist Harper, I know who I will be voting for! |
the guy who is going to tax us into a depression from the recession we are in now? Yeah, good choice! :eek: Funny things is that if Harper ran for president in the US hed probably be a centrist democrat. |
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| Jayx1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by KaiLee
[quote]Palin apparently has "gay" friends but opposes gay marriage. She also opposes abortion yet is a member of a feminist group....contradicting yourself much there lady? |
Just because you oppose gay marriage does not by default make you "anti-gay". Nor does opposing abortion make you "anti-woman". What many left wingers fail to realize is that true liberalism means the acceptance of others' ideas even if they dont coincide with your own.
Using your argument model you could say that supporters of gay marriage are "anti-religion" and supporters of abortion are "anti-children" but that would be ridiculous now wouldnt it? |
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| Jer |
| quote: | | McCain is now ahead by a few points in a race that was supposed to be gift wrapped and handed to the democrats. |
No. Gallup daily tracking has Obama ahead 49% to 41% nationally. Expect this lead to change DRASTICALLY come debate time, everything between the conventions and the debates is fodder.
| quote: | | She has more executive and political experience than Obama. |
Technically speaking, she's the only person of the four on the ticket with any executive experience, but that doesn't count for much with less than two years of said experience.
Keep in mind that prior to that, she was the mayor of the township of Wasilla. Not city - Township with its population of under 10,000 (7200 if I'm not mistaken, but don't quote me).
So to me the 'experience' argument is a moot one, one that Republicans aren't talking up at all (with good reason). |
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| rabbitjoker |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jer
Keep in mind that prior to that, she was the mayor of the township of Wasilla. Not city - Township with its population of under 10,000 (7200 if I'm not mistaken, but don't quote me). |
Prior to being governor she was Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commissioner - which, considering we're talking about Alaska, is a fairly important position.
More importantly - she's done more than "give great speech" while in office. Her impact and effectiveness (as mayor, commissioner and governor) is very impressive. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Jer
Expect this lead to change DRASTICALLY come debate time |
Expect no such thing. This almost never happens. The majority of voters are partisan voters anyway and simply won't change their minds under any circumstances; the balance is in about 20% of the voting body and those are precisely the people who won't be easily swayed by Obama's rhetoric (although they will probably get a good laugh out of Biden's chronic foot-in-mouth disease). |
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| Jer |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Expect no such thing. This almost never happens. The majority of voters are partisan voters anyway and simply won't change their minds under any circumstances; the balance is in about 20% of the voting body and those are precisely the people who won't be easily swayed by Obama's rhetoric (although they will probably get a good laugh out of Biden's chronic foot-in-mouth disease). |
While you might be on to something (and I totally agree that the majority are partisan voters) I think it's fair to say that this election is fundamentally different from any other in American politcal history - So to expect a heightened level of attention and consideration on the part of that remaining 20% is reasonable.
Side note: I love Biden's trademark -ups. LOVE them. |
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