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Dude I fvcking suck at making trance. (pg. 3)
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| MOK |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
There are just some things that cannot be taught - the things you were or weren't born with. At the end of the day it doesn't even matter how good you are technically if your ideas are lacking.
This isn't directed to anyone in particular, btw - I've not heard the tracks of the thread starter. I just often doubt my own skills as a songwriter... |
This is OT, but I feel a requirement to register my disagreement with this concept. Rather, anyone can do anything. I know that's arguable, and I know why. I simply feel that this post couldn't just slide past without a little shout from the other side, given the context of the thread. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by MOK
This is OT, but I feel a requirement to register my disagreement with this concept. Rather, anyone can do anything. I know that's arguable, and I know why. I simply feel that this post couldn't just slide past without a little shout from the other side, given the context of the thread. |
I would have a lot to say to that but that would require a topic of its own... |
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| MOK |
| All apologies for bringing it up. |
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| BshidoHEAT |
| For what it's worth, I like the track you posted on the first page. Although I think it could use some fine tuning, and some direction. Good ideas though. |
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| trisk |
So i listened to your track. some great ideas, the only major problem i have is that it's so repetitive, but that's just the trance genre, that's why I don't listen to it all the time.
I make music thinking of nothing else but me having fun making it, and the whatever the result is, let it be that way. I get a lot of mixed results about my music, most of the negatives are by people who don't like the genre at all.
Vocals help. if you listen to any mega hit thats topping the charts without the vocals, it still sounds okay, but not nearly as good.
When I make a song, I usually make a synth and a riff that i tailor to my liking, until i think it's perfect, everything usually flows naturally around that.
I hope you find your niche. |
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| jason_bradberry |
| quote: | Originally posted by MOK
Yeah, I hear ya, and I don't blame you. There's a lot truth to feed that mindset. And I think most folks even agree, somewhat.
But the thing about 'theory' is that it doesn't NEED to be so much theory. There's more practical takes on it, and ways to use it. Like, when you learn piano, you learn (among other things) to properly read music notation. Do you realize how valuable that is? To actually be able to communicate in specific terms what timings and notes etc etc you want to use or to understand precisely what someone else is trying to describe? Immensely valuable! Maybe you already know how to read music, I dunno. But there's other aspects of theory that are just as valuable for very similar reasons. It helps you realize the patterns that are happening in concrete, specific ways, it takes away the nebulous nature of a lot of it.
Think about math. Sucks, right? But how often do you use Addition, multiplication, division, etc? A lot. It's more than just useful, even though you could certainly continue your life without using it.
like calculus... Useful? Maybe, it depends on what you want to do. But most folks never EVER need it.
Music theory is just like this. The basic stuff is supremely useful, not that complicated, and allows you a commonality of knowledge, terms and communication with other musicians who know the same stuff.
Advanced theory? Meh, take it or leave it, depends on what you want.
But at least the basics, which you'll learn EASILY in regular ole' piano lessons, will help you immensely. It's not gonna be calculus, it's just like basic math, and trust me you wont mind it, especially after you start using those basic aspects of theory.
If you go about learning it though, try and get a real instructor. Personally, I'm good with self study. I eat technical books. It's a gift or something. But when I bought a music theory book? Forget about it. I'm still working on it. But with a real live instructor, I had much more enthusiasm, he concentrated on where I didn't understand, he related things in terms that I understood, heck the appointments even imparted a sense of responsibility so I wouldn't crap out(like I did with my book).
Dont get a book, get an instructor. It'll be worth it. Private or public lessons are both good. Consider it.
Okay, so that was a bit of a tangent there... Or maybe not so much, I dunno. But give it a shot. I really do think you'll get a lot of out piano lessons. I think it will begin to open up a creative door for you. Your vision of what you want, how to get it, and how it relates to other music will become much clearer. |
Great advice. Theory really does unlock music and make things make sense...it helps immensely with writing. I'd second the advice to dig into music theory if you want to develop as an artist. |
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| palm |
| u need to start being more picky on the tracks you enjoy. once u stop liking others music u can start enjoying yer own musac okay`? |
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| Sinnica Hax |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
There are just some things that cannot be taught - the things you were or weren't born with. At the end of the day it doesn't even matter how good you are technically if your ideas are lacking. |
Well said Mr.Mystery, I whole-heartedly agree with you. |
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| velisma |
I thought I'd take a listen to your "garden variety" track and share some of my thoughts and hopefully insight into what I've experienced. I have written stuff (and it's the moment we've all lived for) where I've gotten up and put the bitch on loop/repeat to just jam to it in my head before because I thought it was such a good idea at the time... but... in order to get there it was either 1) a complete in' accident or 2) i knew exactly what i was going for only because I fell on my ass several times trying to get there before (aka experience). I have been a professional musician/educator for the past 5 years and have written music (all types) for over 16 years. These are my thoughts...
the track has moments where i just think its gonna' take flight but its stuck in "mix in" or "outro" mostly...
1) use of effects even basic ones (delay, reverb) will open up the mix and make even simple things "breathe" better and musical passages more interesting.
2) there is no climax really and will give the listener "emotional blue balls" leaving the crowd unsatisfied because they didn't get to get their "rocks off"... you know, that "yesss!!!" moment...
3) on the other end of the spectrum though.... ur kick and bass elements sound stellar! They hit clearly, concisely and hard! most important place to start for EDM so you ARE on the right path! Don't give up!!!
4) I personally like the bass-line progression! :) It is understated and has a "just so-ness" about it. BUT, on the other hand, try to write a melody over it that will send it over the top! it seems like ur kinda' stuck in a creative "purgatory" with this one.
5) there are no peaks and valleys in the track which make it kinda' "drone" on a little (referring back to the blue balls comment)
I'm am interested to see where this track goes.. please let me know... I guess that is the teacher in me coming out! Have a good one bro!!!! :) |
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| Tom Scott |
My honest advice, if you have a passion the use your passion to constructively learn what youre doing and all the different skills you need.
Then just get stoned and make something to your satisfaction |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
Ive been making music for almost 10 years now, and just recently begin to sound like i want to.
The most important skill a producer can ever have IMO, is the ability to hear when to ditch or keep a sound.
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+1, that really is the most important skill. Knowing what sounds good. You gotta know when to just drop something. |
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