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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj bamshad
Thats great info man, i appreciate it
Never knew it was that big of a deal..i will definitely start the process when the money comes in.. |
Ali I would put room treatment very very last on the list of things to get, i'd even say you don't even need it or should put spend money elsewhere first. Get equipment that is functional for making your music. Learn that equipment well and get decent mixes done with them. Once you have the equipment you need and learned that equipment to the point that you can make great music, thats when you should invest in sound treatement of your room. No point in treating your room if your making music. Having good monitors and learning to mix on them well will take you farther than room treatment, there are tons and tons of producers making great music without treated rooms in make shift studios, of course using good equipment and using it well.
Also you can get rid of hardware equipment easier than you can get rid of room treatment if you change directions. Room treatment is worste investment at the moment for you man, especially if your not recording any live instruments or vocals. |
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| DJ RANN |
This advice is good but there's no point at all trying to mix a track when your speakers are not set up the way they are meant to be - it will obviously result in a tainted reproduction of the sound. Room treatment doesn;t just mean buying foam panel or making the floor sprug - it can be as simple as changing the listening position or making sure you have a curtain in front of a glass window that's directly behind your listing chair.
You you bamshad, this is not the point to buy acoustic treatment materials. First get your position right for your speakers and the rest of your kit, in relation to what you are doing (as you said, composing, mixing, recording etc.). Get all your kit set so you can comfortably enjoy and use it without having to be in some weird position (you'd be surprised how many people's studios I've walked in to that are just so un-user friendly because they started small and kept adding kit and never thought to make the setup more logical).
Once you are totally comfortable, baring in mind the guidelines of acoustics (speaker placement, listening position(s) etc.), then and only then start thinking about treatment. In a home studio treatment should come last, simply because it's there to make minor improvements to the sonic aesthetics of the room (i.e. not to fix fundamental problems with the equipment setup).
Also, there's not way to tell what acoustic problems you have (if any) until the fundamental setup is correct. As well as this, you can do many acoustic improvements on a shoestring budget so I always say leave it until you spent the vast bulk of your budget on the really necessary stuff.
I reckon you should get the voyager - I'm an ex-moog service engineer and dealt with the very first voyagers ever sold - they were amazing when they first came out (even with the eraly OS issues) and I still think the are amazing now. They will also hold their value so much better than other other synth out there. |
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| cryophonik |
| If I'm not mistaken, bamshad, aren't your monitors the JBLs with the built-in room compensation feature? At the very least, I'd get your monitors positioned correctly (stands would be good and not very expensive), then re-calibrate the monitors for the new listening position. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ RANN
You you bamshad, this is not the point to buy acoustic treatment materials. |
Normally I would agree, but in this case I don't, because the room is so small and there aren't many objects in the room to create diffusion. After he positions all his stuff properly, I think getting some bass trapping happening would be way more important than anything! You gotta remember how low those JBLs can go.
Absorption could probably take a back seat to a new synth... But a few panels aren't going to cost much, so he might as well do it all in one hit. |
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| dj bamshad |
lol thats why i thought it wasn't that big of a deal.. i mean im sure it makes a difference if you were to put two tracks side by side and compare..
and yeah the jbl does the calculation itself its pretty neat
heres a little sample of what im working on right now, you tell me if room treatment is affecting the mix? how bout that haha
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zmlwyn2wttr |
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| dj bamshad |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
Normally I would agree, but in this case I don't, because the room is so small and there aren't many objects in the room to create diffusion. After he positions all his stuff properly, I think getting some bass trapping happening would be way more important than anything! You gotta remember how low those JBLs can go.
Absorption could probably take a back seat to a new synth... But a few panels aren't going to cost much, so he might as well do it all in one hit. |
im sure i will do the side panels.. maybe wait a little on the stands they were pretty expensive |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj bamshad
im sure i will do the side panels.. maybe wait a little on the stands they were pretty expensive |
Stands are way more important than side panels. DJ RANN was debating the need for acoustic panels, not the need for stands. There's absolutely no point in buying acoustic materials until you buy stands and position everything properly.
For speakers this big, you might be better off building your own stands. I came up with a simple design, involving two pieces of wood and 3 PVC downpipes. This design is better than a lot of commercial stands, as the flexibility of PVC provides excellent absorption of resonance. Once you load the tubes with sand, you have a stand that will out perform anything on the market. It's cool too because you can set them to the exact height you want, whereas most commercial stands are fixed at less than ideal heights. |
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| dj bamshad |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
Stands are way more important than side panels. DJ RANN was debating the need for acoustic panels, not the need for stands. There's absolutely no point in buying acoustic materials until you buy stands and position everything properly.
For speakers this big, you might be better off building your own stands. I came up with a simple design, involving two pieces of wood and 3 PVC downpipes. This design is better than a lot of commercial stands, as the flexibility of PVC provides excellent absorption of resonance. Once you load the tubes with sand, you have a stand that will out perform anything on the market. It's cool too because you can set them to the exact height you want, whereas most commercial stands are fixed at less than ideal heights. |
something i didn't mention...
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i am extremely lazy :) i will look at stands and panels + synths on my next trip to guitar center
did the mix sound affected in your opinion? |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj bamshad
heres a little sample of what im working on right now, you tell me if room treatment is affecting the mix? how bout that haha
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Well, it's short and not a whole lot there, but from what I heard on my work speakers, nothing there suggests that you have a bad mixing environment. If bass response was a problem, you'd hear either excessive boominess or noticeable weakness in the low frequencies on other systems. That's just not the case here from what I can tell. It actually sounds pretty balanced. So, I give you permission to buy a synth with your money. Besides, there's a lot to be said about owning and using a quality instrument. It's more fun and will likely improve your musical skills, sound design capabilities, etc. In other words, it will help you become a better musician, whereas room treatment will help you become a better engineer. Guess which one the girls prefer? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
Besides, there's a lot to be said about owning and using a quality instrument. It's more fun and will likely improve your musical skills, sound design capabilities, etc. In other words, it will help you become a better musician, whereas room treatment will help you become a better engineer. Guess which one the girls prefer? |
If he wants to get the girls through music, he should probably pick up a guitar rather than staring at a sequencer for hours and twiddling with synth knobs.
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by dj bamshad
lol thats why i thought it wasn't that big of a deal.. i mean im sure it makes a difference if you were to put two tracks side by side and compare..
and yeah the jbl does the calculation itself its pretty neat
heres a little sample of what im working on right now, you tell me if room treatment is affecting the mix? how bout that haha
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?zmlwyn2wttr |
I don't think anyone can tell whether room treatment is affecting your mix from an audio sample. There could be countless things affecting your mix. Get your hardware needs first, learn your monitors and equipment well, make good music, room treatment last. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
If he wants to get the girls through music, he should probably pick up a guitar rather than staring at a sequencer for hours and twiddling with synth knobs.
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Good point. I believe the hierarchy goes something like:
Singer > Guitarist > Bassist > Keyboardist > Producer > Audio Tech > Lighting Tech > Roadie > Drummer
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