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| kitphillips |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
This is ridiculous, in my opinion. What is the point in buying expensive monitors if the acoustics of the room are raping the FR?
Acoustics and monitors go hand in hand - if you have monitors, then don't worry about acoustics. The OP has good monitors, but they are being let down by the acoustics. |
I'd be listening to this guy. You don't pay 3 grand for good monitors and then not fork out an extra $200 to get them sounding just right. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
he has decent monitors, he can get away with the lack of room treatment |
ROFL!
i don't even know what to say about this statement... but it's probably one of the most stupid things i have ever read on this forum lol.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
He needs to learn his monitors first |
lol, dude... in that room, he would have peaks and nulls all throughout his FR. why the hell would you want to "learn" that, when all this can be fixed few hundred? it's absolutely moronic not to.
who buys an analog compressor before acoustic treatment anyway? you have some weird ass priorities man. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
ROFL!
i don't even know what to say about this statement... but it's probably one of the most stupid things i have ever read on this forum lol.
lol, dude... in that room, he would have peaks and nulls all throughout his FR. why the hell would you want to "learn" that, when all this can be fixed few hundred? it's absolutely moronic not to.
who buys an analog compressor before acoustic treatment anyway? you have some weird ass priorities man. |
Acoustic treatment before a good hardware compressor? Even though hes buying a good Analogue Synth? Your doing it wrong man, so wrong.
ps: do you have any of your royally acoustic treated room mixes I could check out. |
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| thecYrus |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Acoustic treatment before a good hardware compressor? Even though hes buying a good Analogue Synth? Your doing it wrong man, so wrong.
ps: do you have any of your royally acoustic treated room mixes I could check out. |
he doesn't do it wrong. if you can't make pro sounding tracks with only software you can't do it with analog hardware too.
the first important thing with producing is to hear actually what there's really coming out of the speakers. otherwise you can do your perfect mix and it will still sound like on any other speaker. |
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| echosystm |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Acoustic treatment before a good hardware compressor? Even though hes buying a good Analogue Synth? Your doing it wrong man, so wrong.
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Well, then I guess most of the other producers on this forum who have treated studios are too. Go and look in the studios thread... You will only find a hand full of analog compressors, because they're not important.
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
ps: do you have any of your royally acoustic treated room mixes I could check out. |
My room isn't treated - I live at home and I can't put stuff on the walls. |
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| kitphillips |
What's really ironic is that his concept of an analogue compressor is probably a distressor or some rubbish.
Analogue's really nice to have, but its really a toy, not a crucial piece of audio equipment. Having good monitoring is crucial. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
What's really ironic is that his concept of an analogue compressor is probably a distressor or some rubbish.
Analogue's really nice to have, but its really a toy, not a crucial piece of audio equipment. Having good monitoring is crucial. |
He already has ample monitoring with a pair of decent monitors. Distressor is rubbish? Its a toy? They've sold over 17,000 units of those boxes at about $1,500 a piece since they've started making them. There aren't many major studios that don't have one or a pair. Its probably the most widely used analogue compressor that has come out in the past 15 years. That said its getting aparent not many parading room treatm have read the OP.
| quote: | | I am looking for either enhancement stuff to throw on top of my sounds(waves stuff) or a very good hardware synth(Moog Voyager, Nord Lead.. Polar) |
If hes buying a Moog Voyager, he should pick up a nice analogue compressor or two to go along with it for tracking it properly and getting the most out the sounds it has to offer. His monitors are good enough to allow decent mixing IF he learns them which supercedes what treatment will do for his mixes.
Now that i'm intrigued by this room treatment talk coming from so many directions, I want to hear what room treatment has done for your mixes, I hope they are ridiculously good, they'll help sort this mess. |
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| kitphillips |
:haha: He doesn't have ample monitoring, because his room's not treated. I seriously doubt he's getting an easy mix out of it. He might be getting good mixes, but I bet theres a lot of guesswork and crossreferencing on other systems to try and get balance. Fixing the room up will be cheap and take little effort, but will make a big difference.
A distressor might be the most widely used analogue compressor, but that's only because its quite cheap, well marketed and no one actually uses analogue compressors anymore. They're nice to have, but certainly not essential. And a voyager is a terrible idea. You really are showing that you're incredibly ignorant about production, and arrogant enough to think that what little knowledge you have is entirely correct.
A distressor is not really a clean compressor, its not on par with anything by API, SSL or many other manufacturers I can think of. Its certainly not needed for tracking, and the fact that you think it is is plainly laughable.
That said, I wouldn't say no to a distressor, but its best used for flavour, and its certainly not on my list of things to buy soon at all.
What the OP should do, is look at what he needs. If he wants to have some HW synths, he should buy a good audio interface with more channels, and then look around at what he can afford after that. Maybe a nord, a virus, a prophet. Something which does lots of sounds well. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
:haha: He doesn't have ample monitoring, because his room's not treated. I seriously doubt he's getting an easy mix out of it. He might be getting good mixes, but I bet theres a lot of guesswork and crossreferencing on other systems to try and get balance. Fixing the room up will be cheap and take little effort, but will make a big difference.
A distressor might be the most widely used analogue compressor, but that's only because its quite cheap, well marketed and no one actually uses analogue compressors anymore. They're nice to have, but certainly not essential. And a voyager is a terrible idea. You really are showing that you're incredibly ignorant about production, and arrogant enough to think that what little knowledge you have is entirely correct.
A distressor is not really a clean compressor, its not on par with anything by API, SSL or many other manufacturers I can think of. Its certainly not needed for tracking, and the fact that you think it is is plainly laughable.
That said, I wouldn't say no to a distressor, but its best used for flavour, and its certainly not on my list of things to buy soon at all.
What the OP should do, is look at what he needs. If he wants to have some HW synths, he should buy a good audio interface with more channels, and then look around at what he can afford after that. Maybe a nord, a virus, a prophet. Something which does lots of sounds well. |
$1600 Distressor is cheap for non stereo compressor? :wtf: If you want to compare it to stereo compressors in pricing, then you have to buy two, so your looking at $3200. Marketing? Obviously it has made its way into many studios, but marketing only goes so far in a open community where the best hardware gets the most attention from producers and engineers. I've yet to be marketed a Distressor besides from the people that actually use them. Wait a second why am I replying to this? I just remembered you said 'no one uses analogue compressors anymore', 'distressor is best used for flavour' and im the ignorant one. Unless some really cracked out reply out left field comes in that is too funny to pass up, im done arguing with people who didn't read what the OP, haven't listened to the mixes posted in the thread, and can't prioritize. :haha:
By the way you said one correct thing...he needs a new AD/DA interface to house any hardware additions he makes to his studio. And he should spend any remaining money there after a Synth and Compressors, before burning his money in a fire pit on acoustic treatment for a bedroom studio. That can come later :tongue2 |
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| dj bamshad |
| quote: | Originally posted by kitphillips
:haha: He doesn't have ample monitoring, because his room's not treated. I seriously doubt he's getting an easy mix out of it. He might be getting good mixes, but I bet theres a lot of guesswork and crossreferencing on other systems to try and get balance. Fixing the room up will be cheap and take little effort, but will make a big difference.
A distressor might be the most widely used analogue compressor, but that's only because its quite cheap, well marketed and no one actually uses analogue compressors anymore. They're nice to have, but certainly not essential. And a voyager is a terrible idea. You really are showing that you're incredibly ignorant about production, and arrogant enough to think that what little knowledge you have is entirely correct.
A distressor is not really a clean compressor, its not on par with anything by API, SSL or many other manufacturers I can think of. Its certainly not needed for tracking, and the fact that you think it is is plainly laughable.
That said, I wouldn't say no to a distressor, but its best used for flavour, and its certainly not on my list of things to buy soon at all.
What the OP should do, is look at what he needs. If he wants to have some HW synths, he should buy a good audio interface with more channels, and then look around at what he can afford after that. Maybe a nord, a virus, a prophet. Something which does lots of sounds well. |
look man im not gonna sit here and let you talk .. so heres what i think
1. my monitors imo are great and is the last thing i would upgrade in my studio
2. how am i lacking knowledge because i want a moog voyager.. i have many soft synths that can do practically anything else, but im looking for that hard bassline and blip sounds that i cant get
3. and 3, i hate when people start talking just to prove a non valid point in a ing forum
i agree with echosystem about room treatment and i will start the process one step at a time
listen to my new right here
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i hope this thread will die now
and yes i am drunk.. wine is great |
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| kitphillips |
| Eh, I can't be bothered with this debate any more. Buy what you like. |
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| dannib |
| quote: | | A distressor is not really a clean compressor, its not on par with anything by API, SSL or many other manufacturers I can think of. Its certainly not needed for tracking, and the fact that you think it is is plainly laughable |
I own a distressor, API 525 and have used an SSL E-series channel strip. The distressor blows these away in terms versitility and sounds much better imo to the ssl compressors (not including ssl buss compression). Its probably the most versitile compressor you can buy and is used in every single commercial studio for a reason.
Outboard equipment does make a huge difference to the sound, especially when multi-tracking. Try running a virus ti through a pair of API 512 pre-amps instead of using its usb outputs. The difference is absolutely staggering.
Kitphillips is right in that you wont need a distressor for tracking although it could come in handy when tracking vocals or other live instrumentation. The distressor is a top tool for designing transients and can add harmonics to the sound if wanted. |
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