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Nathan Fake - Hard Islands (Border Community) (pg. 4)
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| vinnie97 |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Ted Promo I am far more keen on his Drowning in a Sea of Love downtempo/experimental sound than his techno sound. |
And Boards of Canada had already expertly covered that ground well before Nathan came along. James Holden has basically given this guy a lot of credence and while he's an accomplished producer, he hasn't re-invented anything. |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by vinnie97
Not true, there is such a thing as melodic techno. The dawn of techno (regarded by many as Rhythim Is Rhythim aka Derrick May - "Strings of Life") had no shortage of a piano and synth strings sequence to timeless effect. More recently, Luke Slater's "Love" is another with nothing short of heavenly pads throughout. |
I'm not ing retarded I know there's such thing as melodic techno, you dweeb. BUT generally speaking, techno is not melodic and if you're criticizing techno for lacking melody you're most likely riding the wrong train. The arguments on TA have really dropped in terms of logic, jesus ing christ. :rolleyes: |
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| nsamadi |
The Turtle - Tetris techno tune that's a bit dull though gets exicting towards the end and then it ends. Decent tune but nothing new or interesting sounding.
Basic Mountain - Kind of cool indie rockish techno. Nothing new again, but it's cool in its own way. I can see this being played as an encore tune. My 2nd favorite tune on the EP.
Castle Rising - Tetris wompy screwed-up techno with an awful half-ass production feel. 9 minutes of wanting to put your fingers in your ears.
The Curlew - Can't say much for this. It's only a minute long.
Narrier - Best tune on the EP. Dark and freaky. Like Alice in Wonderland scary.
Fentiger - Indie techno again, that's pretty unmemorable, but has a cool nostalgic synth and drum sample that I like. Decent, but nothing interesting. It has a Luke Abbott influence to it. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by vinnie97
And Boards of Canada had already expertly covered that ground well before Nathan came along. James Holden has basically given this guy a lot of credence and while he's an accomplished producer, he hasn't re-invented anything. |
Unreasonable way to observe music. For contrast, Carnatic Music artists try to perfect their rendition of raagas that are hundreds of years old. They dont observe the artist "he didnt re-invent the raaga", but rather look at what the artist's interpretation of a raaga is. Usually through the artists own nuances, personality, and improvisations.
I like new sounds, but the constant search for re-invention of a genre or a type of music is odd to me, when many cultures are trying to perfect what exists and enjoying it. If someone were to come around and furthur perfect what Boards of Canada did, then I think we'd have something great on our hands. Im not saying Nathan Fake is doing that, but if he were, i'd be a huge fan of his interpretation of the sound.
If you want re-inventions to happen, people have to start creating and using new instruments. A lot of the new or ground breaking stuff happened when a shift in the way people made music happened. To me a lot of Orchestra sounds the same, because they still use the same instruments they have been for centuries. Re-invention in edm can happen, but its really an unreasonable expectation of the average artist who really doesnt have the means or maybe doesnt have the need or interest to re-invent or invent a sound. Besides once person makes that sound, everyone else "is copying" that one person in some way, right? |
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| vinnie97 |
| quote: | Originally posted by wotyzoid
I'm not ing retarded I know there's such thing as melodic techno, you dweeb. BUT generally speaking, techno is not melodic and if you're criticizing techno for lacking melody you're most likely riding the wrong train. The arguments on TA have really dropped in terms of logic, jesus ing christ. :rolleyes: |
Don't ASSUME I know what you know. :rolleyes: right back at you. And this is only considered an argument if you're uptight about something. From where I'm sitting, this was a discussion until you sanded up your poontang. |
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| vinnie97 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Unreasonable way to observe music. For contrast, Carnatic Music artists try to perfect their rendition of raagas that are hundreds of years old. They dont observe the artist "he didnt re-invent the raaga", but rather look at what the artist's interpretation of a raaga is. Usually through the artists own nuances, personality, and improvisations.
I like new sounds, but the constant search for re-invention of a genre or a type of music is odd to me, when many cultures are trying to perfect what exists and enjoying it. If someone were to come around and furthur perfect what Boards of Canada did, then I think we'd have something great on our hands. Im not saying Nathan Fake is doing that, but if he were, i'd be a huge fan of his interpretation of the sound.
If you want re-inventions to happen, people have to start creating and using new instruments. A lot of the new or ground breaking stuff happened when a shift in the way people made music happened. To me a lot of Orchestra sounds the same, because they still use the same instruments they have been for centuries. Re-invention in edm can happen, but its really an unreasonable expectation of the average artist who really doesnt have the means or maybe doesnt have the need or interest to re-invent or invent a sound. Besides once person makes that sound, everyone else "is copying" that one person in some way, right? |
I don't think it's all that unreasonable. I think there exists in music creation actual evolution of a style, happenstance imitation and flattery (aka outright imitation). The compositional elements, tempos and production techniques very closely mirror that of BOC on the aforementioned album, so I would place the album somewhere in the continuum between happenstance imitation and flattery personally. The world of electronic music with the advent of powerful personal computing makes it easier for everyone to contribute (and subsequently imitate) but it also makes it easier to experiment. It's all subjective but I didn't find Nathan's approach to mindbending downtempo particularly refining. |
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| Ted Promo |
| quote: | Originally posted by vinnie97
And Boards of Canada had already expertly covered that ground well before Nathan came along. |
So all I should do is listen to a BoC album because they were doing downtempo before Fake?
Explain your reasoning. |
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| ibizzzaaa |
| quote: | Originally posted by nsamadi
Indie techno |
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Minimal techno with a hint of "art wank"? |
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| nsamadi |
Samples of Basic Mountain & Narrier, the standouts IMO.
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| winston |
agree. wasn't completely sold on this one, while i enjoy the experimental side to it all (a no holds barred approach at 'rave') some of the stuff in this LP needs serious revision, and mastering. Yet again, border community stands against all of these things...
6.0/10 |
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| wotyzoid |
| quote: | Originally posted by vinnie97
Don't ASSUME I know what you know. :rolleyes: right back at you. And this is only considered an argument if you're uptight about something. From where I'm sitting, this was a discussion until you sanded up your poontang. |
:stongue: Ok, man. |
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| vinnie97 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Ted Promo
So all I should do is listen to a BoC album because they were doing downtempo before Fake?
Explain your reasoning. |
It's not just "downtempo," it's sound design emulation and it hardly stands on its own as a result. For instance, the use of fuzzy analog pads with subtle touches of modulation utilized under a hip hop rhythm. For better or for worse, this is a BOC staple. And it's not exciting to hear another artist copy this technique, intentionally or not. When an entire album reminds me of a specific artistic style/sound that has already been well explored, its not really exciting listening.
I prefer downtempo that takes me places I've yet to visit. KiloWatts' album, Ground State, is an example of that: http://www.myspace.com/kilowatts (Dub Serious and Monument being the 2 samples from that album). Dub, psy and trip hop all come together on this album, fused together with a glitchy aesthetic. This was my assessment after the first time I heard the album...after hearing Nathan Fake's "Sea of Forgetfulness?" All I could think of was BOC. It may also have a lot to do with my exposure to certain artists more than others and I'm sure that results in a different perception for every listener. |
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