Originally posted by nsamadi
Samples of Basic Mountain & Narrier, the standouts IMO.
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Based on those two samples there, and what I heard in the Igloo set, im thinking this album will be amazing, the best this year thus far, in comparison to the mediocrity that gets hyped up around here and MD. Are those promo copy rips though? The rip or mastering? is a bit shady though.
::hugs his BOC influenced tracks::
I got some boards of canada in me as well, but they are pieces that could work on a dancefloor as well, take the crowd to another place, my own vision at the end of the day.
Kismet7
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Originally posted by vinnie97
It's not just "downtempo," it's sound design emulation and it hardly stands on its own as a result. For instance, the use of fuzzy analog pads with subtle touches of modulation utilized under a hip hop rhythm. For better or for worse, this is a BOC staple. And it's not exciting to hear another artist copy this technique, intentionally or not. When an entire album reminds me of a specific artistic style/sound that has already been well explored, its not really exciting listening.
so how would you possibly enjoy good music if its not entirely new? when you have preconceptions attached to what it can or cant be, or who can or cant make a sound. Has it ever occured to you that someone might not be trying to recreate someones work, but the two artists minds or vision of music are similar? I'll use myself as example because its the best way I can communicate this to you. When I create something that is in the vein of Boards of Canada, its not because I set out to recreate a particular track, even though they are part of my influence, but because maybe I share minds or vision with them (which is part of why I probably like their music), a part of my brain is potentially similar to a part of their brain. And this goes with countless artists from Robert Babicz to Guy Gerber to Pharrell Williams to Ustad Amjad Ali Khan (sarod). And maybe a part of Nathan Fake's brain is similar to BOC's. So he or I don't even have to recreate their sound, and something similar will be made, without knowing or without control over it. So if i'm working on a piece and its sounding BOC, and all im doing is having fun making sounds and melodies and textures, what should I do? Stop what my mind is making because "its been done"? What about in Omar S's case when the morons at RA asked him "why did you follow Ricardo Villalobos idea on his Fabric Mix" OMar S's reply was "who the is Ricardo Willabobos." Besides, the instruments and parameters of making electronic music are what they are and not infinite, if they were infinite, then we would hear new music and genres being made on a weekly basis. There is only so much that can be done in a boxing ring and still look pretty.
To add to that, given the same tools, the same sine, square, saw waves, filters, ADSR parameters, etc, music that has been made already will often be remade. Without practice or forgery. If two different producers only use a Korg MS-20, then there is a very high chance they will create similar sounding music. Detroit Techno is what it is because of the Moog, Yamaha, Korg synths they used at the time, the parameters become narrow when you are using similar instruments. If they used different synths and drummachines, Detroit Techno would be something else right now. The only reason I can make Detroit Techno is because I have access to similar sounding instruments they used, and maybe I share minds with those artists. I don't care if Detroit Techno has been done, I have no choice but to make what I feel like making with the tools I use to create with at the time, and what my mind/soul wants to make at the time. My influences/inspirations usually only tell me what i've created with my own ideas isn't terrible as I create it, a barometer of sorts that tells me to keep going. If we dont have our influences or our inspirations, how do we know what we are creating is good music? How do you reverse your influence once you have heard the music? You cant. Your idea of music and the artists that make it is not realistic, nor is it an ideal that any observer of art and music should take up.
Kismet7
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Originally posted by vinnie97
I don't think it's all that unreasonable. I think there exists in music creation actual evolution of a style, happenstance imitation and flattery (aka outright imitation). The compositional elements, tempos and production techniques very closely mirror that of BOC on the aforementioned album, so I would place the album somewhere in the continuum between happenstance imitation and flattery personally. The world of electronic music with the advent of powerful personal computing makes it easier for everyone to contribute (and subsequently imitate) but it also makes it easier to experiment. It's all subjective but I didn't find Nathan's approach to mindbending downtempo particularly refining.
Honestly, im not hearing the similarities you speak of, unless your looking at this at a very large resolution, and in that resolution a burp is the equivalent of a bass drum to you, and the bass drum stoled from the burp. Nathan Fake has his own nuances and interpretation, even if some similarities exist. So where can he play if even though he has his own nuances and his own interpretation, he still gets discredited by people like you and the RA's of the world? Are you actually listening to the music or are you too busy telling yourself "ahaaa there is noise texture there! he must have copied BOC!" There are two samples posted in this thread, if you told me BOC made that, I dont know if i'd believe you, i'd guess Nathan Fake made it almost immediately. Because at a sharper resolution (think of looking through a compass versus your eyes), Nathan Fake's nuances and ideas are different than BOC's. I guess it all comes down to the resolution at which you are listening to music and what level you are making connections between two pieces of music. I attribute your gripes to not having an artists vision or knowing much about the music making process. And really, look at what your griping about, someone is making something that sounds similar to BOC? You should be kissing feet and throwing rose petals in front of his next step.
Ted Promo
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Originally posted by vinnie97
It's not just "downtempo," it's sound design emulation and it hardly stands on its own as a result. For instance, the use of fuzzy analog pads with subtle touches of modulation utilized under a hip hop rhythm. For better or for worse, this is a BOC staple. And it's not exciting to hear another artist copy this technique, intentionally or not. When an entire album reminds me of a specific artistic style/sound that has already been well explored, its not really exciting listening.
I prefer downtempo that takes me places I've yet to visit. KiloWatts' album, Ground State, is an example of that: http://www.myspace.com/kilowatts (Dub Serious and Monument being the 2 samples from that album). Dub, psy and trip hop all come together on this album, fused together with a glitchy aesthetic. This was my assessment after the first time I heard the album...after hearing Nathan Fake's "Sea of Forgetfulness?" All I could think of was BOC. It may also have a lot to do with my exposure to certain artists more than others and I'm sure that results in a different perception for every listener.
meh, that all comes down to personal taste. I thought Drowning was a unique and good album which was very different when compared to any BoC album.
I'll check out that album though; I've heard of kilowatts but I don't think I've listened to that album and it sounds interesting enough.
vinnie97
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Originally posted by Kismet7
Honestly, im not hearing the similarities you speak of, unless your looking at this at a very large resolution, and in that resolution a burp is the equivalent of a bass drum to you, and the bass drum stoled from the burp. Nathan Fake has his own nuances and interpretation, even if some similarities exist. So where can he play if even though he has his own nuances and his own interpretation, he still gets discredited by people like you and the RA's of the world? Are you actually listening to the music or are you too busy telling yourself "ahaaa there is noise texture there! he must have copied BOC!" There are two samples posted in this thread, if you told me BOC made that, I dont know if i'd believe you, i'd guess Nathan Fake made it almost immediately. Because at a sharper resolution (think of looking through a compass versus your eyes), Nathan Fake's nuances and ideas are different than BOC's. I guess it all comes down to the resolution at which you are listening to music and what level you are making connections between two pieces of music. I attribute your gripes to not having an artists vision or knowing much about the music making process. And really, look at what your griping about, someone is making something that sounds similar to BOC? You should be kissing feet and throwing rose petals in front of his next step.
Yes, resolution could have something to do with it but it's not as if I'm listening to these two artists in a vacuum and haven't been exposed to plenty of stylistic variations the world over (electronic music having become a passion and addiction since 1992). Freescha is perhaps the one other artist who could be accused of imitating (coincidentally or otherwise) BOC but they've released so many albums that one can more easily start to hear the nuances of their work. Nathan's sole downtempo album doesn't benefit from this breadth of work. Why does it matter what "people like me" have to say in critiquing Nathan Fake? He is obviously free to play what and where he likes. Being that he produces more than downtempo music, he's not really that restricted by "people like me." Never did I suggest that the more techno-oriented pieces provided as samples here were akin to something BoC would create, I was only referencing his sole downtempo album. Also, don't forget that everyone is tuned differently and may not be listening at the same "resolution" as you worded it, which is actually a nice way to put it. It could be said that I was put off by the similarities so I didn't listen for the nuances on this occasion, so the fault is mine in that case (returning to the album with a new slate might be in order). But I am a detail-oriented listener and do have an appreciation for the music creation process. I've crafted a little myself in the past and have aspirations to get back into it and make a worthwhile finished product at some point.
Kismet7
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Originally posted by vinnie97
Yes, resolution could have something to do with it but it's not as if I'm listening to these two artists in a vacuum and haven't been exposed to plenty of stylistic variations the world over (electronic music having become a passion and addiction since 1992). Freescha is perhaps the one other artist who could be accused of imitating (coincidentally or otherwise) BOC but they've released so many albums that one can more easily start to hear the nuances of their work. Nathan's sole downtempo album doesn't benefit from this breadth of work. Why does it matter what "people like me" have to say in critiquing Nathan Fake? He is obviously free to play what and where he likes. Being that he produces more than downtempo music, he's not really that restricted by "people like me." Never did I suggest that the more techno-oriented pieces provided as samples here were akin to something BoC would create, I was only referencing his sole downtempo album. Also, don't forget that everyone is tuned differently and may not be listening at the same "resolution" as you worded it, which is actually a nice way to put it. It could be said that I was put off by the similarities so I didn't listen for the nuances on this occasion, so the fault is mine in that case (returning to the album with a new slate might be in order). But I am a detail-oriented listener and do have an appreciation for the music creation process. I've crafted a little myself in the past and have aspirations to get back into it and make a worthwhile finished product at some point.
Well the music is what it is, its up to the user to find enjoyment in any piece of music. And in the best case a person has an open mind, without preconceived filters. In life in general people can create their own happiness if they allow themselves to be happy with whatever they are doing or consuming. To me it doesn't matter whether you like or dont like this particular album or this artist's music, but what interests me is the parameters people use towards critiquing an artists work, when deciding whether its of good or bad quality or whether they like or dislike it. So im not really defending Nathan Fake's music here, just that your observation of this music or any music was unrealistic. But you gave a good reply, and obviously you understand the resolution and nuance concept, and know that Nathan Fake's covers a bit more ground than just a BOCesque sound. Which should really make it easier to respect his work because he can cover different styles but can also cover a BOC inspired sound. That said, I would not be surprised if Nathan Fake has produced tracks that has Boards of Canada saying "I wish we would have travelled there." So again, nuance, personal style, and interpretation devides artists with similar sounds, and the student can often surpass the master in some areas.
And how awesome is
A soundtrack to many feelings, places, and thoughts.
Jasperovitsj
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Originally posted by Kismet7
So im not really defending Nathan Fake's music here, just that your observation of this music or any music was unrealistic.
I presume your observation of any music is always the right one?
Kismet7
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Originally posted by Jasperovitsj
I presume your observation of any music is always the right one?
Do you think your presumptions are always right? ;)
Dj_Es-Dva
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Originally posted by Kismet7
That said, I would not be surprised if Nathan Fake has produced tracks that has Boards of Canada saying "I wish we would have travelled there."
I somehow doubt that :conf: As a producer, you'd have to be a bit of a hack to think that way of someone else's music. "I wish I could do that.. Oh wait I can. Nevermind"
Seppuku
I got this sampler a couple days ago but still haven't taken the time to listen...meh.
xtr3m
Narrier is like a messed up remix of Sasha - Coma. Too bad it's shorter than 4 minutes.
chesco
The tacks that are on youtube do nothing apart from annoy me, yet another fail by border community, a label that has totally lost it's way.
