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| Aleks_B |
^ at least someone is thinking straight in this thread!!! LOLOL
i believe just like any trade or profession, that music producers and engineers deserve to be PAID for their work!! |
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| Dave Akermanis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Aleks_B
^ at least someone is thinking straight in this thread!!! LOLOL
i believe just like any trade or profession, that music producers and engineers deserve to be PAID for their work!! |
More short-sightedness for this thread. Yay.
:rolleyes: |
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| Chris Allen |
Dave, try running a record label that depends on tracks being sold to be able to keep putting tracks out. Your short-sightedness on this matter blows my ing mind.
Try looking at it from a position well other than your own and see the reality.
File sharing sucks. It's cool for a bit when you see your tunes online and people are giving you comments saying your tunes are hot, especially when it's your first lot of tracks, but it gets old pretty quick when you get like $3.00 back after 6 months of royalties.
I suppose the difference here is solid label vs independent tiny label that can't pay advances at all. Also, your tracks aren't doing 20,000 units of sales and you've never seen much money from a release, so you don't know the difference. Did you ever ask yourself how a label could afford to pay an artist to do a proper release when they make no money back from previous ones due to sharing?
I could go into this further, but I'm not wasting my time or energy on the clearly ass-backwards views in this thread. |
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| Shaya007 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chris Allen
Dave, try running a record label that depends on tracks being sold to be able to keep putting tracks out. Your short-sightedness on this matter blows my ing mind.
Try looking at it from a position well other than your own and see the reality.
File sharing sucks. It's cool for a bit when you see your tunes online and people are giving you comments saying your tunes are hot, especially when it's your first lot of tracks, but it gets old pretty quick when you get like $3.00 back after 6 months of royalties.
I suppose the difference here is solid label vs independent tiny label that can't pay advances at all. Also, your tracks aren't doing 20,000 units of sales and you've never seen much money from a release, so you don't know the difference. Did you ever ask yourself how a label could afford to pay an artist to do a proper release when they make no money back from previous ones due to sharing?
I could go into this further, but I'm not wasting my time or energy on the clearly ass-backwards views in this thread. |
but don't you have a TT account?? |
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| Dave Akermanis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chris Allen
Dave, try running a record label that depends on tracks being sold to be able to keep putting tracks out. Your short-sightedness on this matter blows my ing mind.
Try looking at it from a position well other than your own and see the reality.
File sharing sucks. It's cool for a bit when you see your tunes online and people are giving you comments saying your tunes are hot, especially when it's your first lot of tracks, but it gets old pretty quick when you get like $3.00 back after 6 months of royalties.
I suppose the difference here is solid label vs independent tiny label that can't pay advances at all. Also, your tracks aren't doing 20,000 units of sales and you've never seen much money from a release, so you don't know the difference. Did you ever ask yourself how a label could afford to pay an artist to do a proper release when they make no money back from previous ones due to sharing?
I could go into this further, but I'm not wasting my time or energy on the clearly ass-backwards views in this thread. |
Lets take a step back here, I'm not suggesting that artists shouldn't be compensated for their work - or that people paying for tracks is somehow better than people obtaining music for free...
What I am saying, however, is that file sharing is here - and it is here to stay. New profit models are emerging across every content industry.
You can choose to cling to an old model with a profit base that is slowly eroding, or you can adapt and adjust your business model. Just because sales from mechanical royalties are decreasing doesn't mean you can't profit from your time/effort spend on music elsewhere.
I've made more money through commercial licensing via services like PumpAudio (like stock photo but musical) than I ever have from per unit sales. Furthermore, I've made way more from remixing fees than per unit sales as well.
All of that aside, my point of view on the issue: Adapt or die. There is absolutely no value in griping about it. |
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| Yohan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Dave Akermanis
Lets take a step back here, I'm not suggesting that artists shouldn't be compensated for their work - or that people paying for tracks is somehow better than people obtaining music for free...
What I am saying, however, is that file sharing is here - and it is here to stay. New profit models are emerging across every content industry.
You can choose to cling to an old model with a profit base that is slowly eroding, or you can adapt and adjust your business model. Just because sales from mechanical royalties are decreasing doesn't mean you can't profit from your time/effort spend on music elsewhere.
I've made more money through commercial licensing via services like PumpAudio (like stock photo but musical) than I ever have from per unit sales. Furthermore, I've made way more from remixing fees than per unit sales as well.
All of that aside, my point of view on the issue: Adapt or die. There is absolutely no value in griping about it. |
how would you suggest record labels make money? |
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| Yohan |
| so, you think labels shouldnt be traditional labels, but be more like an agent for promoting music of producers? |
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| Dave Akermanis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Yohan
so, you think labels shouldnt be traditional labels, but be more like an agent for promoting music of producers? |
I'd say that technology will force them to rethink their role/ business strategy if they want to continue being profitable. |
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| Dave Akermanis |
I think creators now need to get paid for the USE of their work, not (just) for a copy. On the web, everything is a copy, every listen / watch / read / use is in fact a copy; computers are simply copy machines by default. If creators and rights-holders stick to the old definition of 'copy' and the corresponding, unit-based mode of how they used to get paid (e.g. the mechanical license for each download of a song), then we will continue to have a total mismatch between what 1.4 Billion Internet and the converging ~ 4 Billion mobile phone users are willing and / or able to pay, resulting in a drastic loss of revenues that could be harvested via revenue sharing, bundling and other collaborative, usage-based models. Check out the slideshow below. More on what I call "21st Century Content Economics" later today - I will publish a PDF with my Authors@Google presentation I am doing in San Francisco, today.
http://www.mediafuturist.com/2009/0...sage-right.html
Another very relevant article and presentation. |
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| Aleks_B |
wow.....
*almost post a rant* |
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| mUSER |
I'm with Dave.
You know what, if you aren't a big enough producer to make money out there performing, you're not big enough to live off your income anyways. Like anyone else making music because they love it, I have a regular job. I make sacrifices in life so that I can spend my personal time doing what I personally love to do.
If someone wants to listen to ANY of my tracks, it's a privilege as an artist. It's a blessing really. I'm happy to provide it to them. If they like it that much, they'll pass it on. To think, companies PAY to advertise, whereas an artist can get free advertisement for the low price of sharing his art.
If people like the music, they'll want to see you live. They'll want to show they like you with merchandise. They'll provide lots of other benefits to you as a patron. Music is a intangible good; it's always been a hard sell. But there are so many other things an artist can make money on.
And yes, I have been doing it a long time. I just don't believe that waiting for a return of the "Golden Years" is a productive use of time. |
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