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Really, really f*cking scary. (pg. 10)
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| El K Dee |
| quote: | An atheist in the woods
An atheist was walking through the woods. "What majestic trees"!
"What powerful rivers"! "What beautiful animals"! He said to himself.
As he was walking alongside the river, he heard a rustling in the bushes behind him.
He turned to look. He saw a 7-foot grizzly bear charge towards him.
He ran as fast as he could up the path. He looked over his shoulder & saw that the bear was closing in on him.
He looked over his shoulder again, & the bear was even closer. He tripped & fell on the ground.
He rolled over to pick himself up but saw that the bear was right on top of him, reaching for him with his left paw & raising his right paw to strike him.
At that instant the Atheist cried out, "Oh my God!"
Time Stopped. The bear froze. The forest was silent.
As a bright light shone upon the man, a voice came out of the sky. "You deny my existence for all these years, teach others I don't exist and even credit creation to cosmic accident." "Do you expect me to help you out of this predicament?
Am I to count you as a believer"? The atheist looked directly into the light, "It would be hypocritical of me to suddenly ask you to treat me as a Christian now, but perhaps you could make the BEAR a Christian"?
"Very Well," said the voice.
The light went out. The sounds of the forest resumed.
And the bear dropped his right paw, brought both paws together, bowed his head & spoke: "Lord bless this food, which I am about to receive from thy bounty through Christ our Lord, Amen." |
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| Moral Hazard |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
- Slavery (Luke 7:2, |
1When Jesus had finished saying all this in the hearing of the people, he entered Capernaum. 2There a centurion's servant, whom his master valued highly, was sick and about to die. 3The centurion heard of Jesus and sent some elders of the Jews to him, asking him to come and heal his servant. 4When they came to Jesus, they pleaded earnestly with him, "This man deserves to have you do this, 5because he loves our nation and has built our synagogue." 6So Jesus went with them. He was not far from the house when the centurion sent friends to say to him: "Lord, don't trouble yourself, for I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. 7That is why I did not even consider myself worthy to come to you. But say the word, and my servant will be healed. 8For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, 'Go,' and he goes; and that one, 'Come,' and he comes. I say to my servant, 'Do this,' and he does it."
9When Jesus heard this, he was amazed at him, and turning to the crowd following him, he said, "I tell you, I have not found such great faith even in Israel." 10Then the men who had been sent returned to the house and found the servant well.
If your including this caption as a suggestion that Christianity views slavery as tolerable then you failed miserably. The passage refers to a Roman who asked Jesus to heal his slave. Slavery was a reality of the time. Jesus extending his blessing to the slave shows that he views him as deserving an equal share of God's love, which would have been diametrically opposed to the general views of the day that slaves were less then human. But good try.
There is no book by this name. Perhaps you meant Corinthians... there are 2 by that name, only First Corinthians has a verse 3:22; however, that reads "Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's" so I'm not sure what you're driving at.
This book is a letter from Paul to Titus instructing him on how he should counsel those who seek his counsel. Titus 2 reads:
You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine. 2Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of respect, self-controlled, and sound in faith, in love and in endurance. 3Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God. 6Similarly, encourage the young men to be self-controlled. 7In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness 8and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us. 9Teach slaves to be subject to their masters in everything, to try to please them, not to talk back to them, 10and not to steal from them, but to show that they can be fully trusted, so that in every way they will make the teaching about God our Savior attractive. 11For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. 12It teaches us to say "No" to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good. 15These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.
The advice he is giving is that all should work to be the best person they can given their lot in life, it is not condoning slavery.
The fact that you would suggest that the new testament condones slavery just goes to show how little you understand about this faith you, clearly, despise.
| quote: | - "Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." (Timothy 1:2)
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Um... Timothy 1:2 is "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord."
In fact, neither Timothy 1 or Timothy 2 discuss women at all.
Honestly, if you're going to quote the bible in an attempt to discredit the religion you should at least read them first. |
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| love_child |
| quote: | Originally posted by jennypie
Yeah she's begging for something alright. Lololololol. |
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| DaRoZa |
| quote: | Originally posted by El K Dee
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LOL GOD GOT HIM GOOD |
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| DJ_Elyot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Um... Timothy 1:2 is "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord."
In fact, neither Timothy 1 or Timothy 2 discuss women at all.
Honestly, if you're going to quote the bible in an attempt to discredit the religion you should at least read them first. |
Sorry, it's the book 1 Timothy, chapter 2.
"Let a woman learn in silence with full submission. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent. For Adam was formed first, then Eve; and Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor."
There is also Chapter 21 of Exodus:
"When you buy a male Hebrew slave, he shall serve for six years, but in the seventh he shall go out a free person, without debt. If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s and he shall go out alone. But if the slave declares, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out a free person’, then his master shall bring him before God. He shall be brought to the door or the doorpost; and his master shall pierce his ear with an awl; and he shall serve him for life.
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do. If she does not please her master, who designated her for himself, then he shall let her be redeemed; he shall have no right to sell her to a foreign people, since he has dealt unfairly with her. If he designates her for his son, he shall deal with her as with a daughter. If he takes another wife to himself, he shall not diminish the food, clothing, or marital rights of the first wife. And if he does not do these three things for her, she shall go out without debt, without payment of money.
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When a slave-owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives for a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner’s property."
Leviticus 25:44
"Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly. "
And it goes on.
The bible might be a source of wisdom for some, but it is arguably quite repulsive in many ways. Surely there is a better way to teach our children morals than this. |
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| DJ_Elyot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Elendil
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I never once claimed that the bible contained nothing useful. I understand why some people find wisdom in the various parables and myths. But the same can be said of the Quran or the book of Mormon or the Book of Scientology. Studying these books may nonetheless be a worthwhile activity if properly tempered with a solid background in critical thinking and rational moral philosophy.
But actually following a religious doctrine and believing the myths to be truths... this is dangerous. Making decisions based on a supernatural belief is unwise, even if it "feels right".
The whole "scope of infinite possibilities" you discuss is precisely why no meaningful conclusions can be drawn from belief in a single religious ideology. For every possible deity that wants you to love your neighbour, their is another possible deity that wishes for humans to kill one another. For every deity that wants you to avoid eating pork, there is another that wants you to avoid eating beef. For every deity that likes sum utilitarianism and wishes for a population explosion, there is another that likes average utilitarianism and wishes for a smaller society of happier humans.
The fact that the "mainstream" deities all share various traits in common has more to do with sociocultural evolution than it does with moral philosophy.
Yes, there are the Jungian archetypes and so on and I am familiar with this theory. Jung's views of religion and Christianity are WIDELY open to debate and many scholars (in particular, Freud) have STRONGLY disagreed with his views. |
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| DJ_Elyot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Moral Hazard
There is no book by this name. Perhaps you meant Corinthians... there are 2 by that name, only First Corinthians has a verse 3:22; however, that reads "Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are your's" so I'm not sure what you're driving at.
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Ummm...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Colossians
Anyways, the quote is:
"Slaves, obey in everything those who are your earthly masters, not with eyeservice, as men-pleasers, but in singleness of heart, fearing the Lord. Whatever your task, work heartily." |
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| Spam |
I dunno why you're all up in arms about slavery anyway. I'd rather be a slave than a homeless bum, freezing my ass off, begging for change, with a crack needle sticking out of my arm.
At least when you're a slave you get fed and given a warm place to sleep. Maybe the Bible was onto something... |
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| djshan |
| quote: | Originally posted by Spam
I dunno why you're all up in arms about slavery anyway. I'd rather be a slave than a homeless bum, freezing my ass off, begging for change, with a crack needle sticking out of my arm.
At least when you're a slave you get fed and given a warm place to sleep. Maybe the Bible was onto something... |
why dont you just kill yourself? like, that way you wont be suffering at all.... :whip: |
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
The bible might be a source of wisdom for some, but it is arguably quite repulsive in many ways. Surely there is a better way to teach our children morals than this. |
maybe try to teach our children some eugenics?
i cannot believe you brights..... you come after us believers with the same passion as those pricks did after them poor guys.
and you say free thinking is the answer?
that makes me sad. sad and angry. you're quoting the bible, the book thats been rewritten who knows how many times (the fact that you're totally aware of) like it was our only guiding light, while totally misunderstanding the concept of faith.
meh, way too... time consuming. but what i'd really like to do (just for the s of it) is clash our heads (or minds, whichever way you like it) over "methinks it is like a weasel". but not here?? |
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| feelgood |
| I think after perusing this thread, theres good reasoning as to why Church and State should be separate. |
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| mUSER |
| quote: | Originally posted by feelgood
I think after perusing this thread, theres good reasoning as to why Church and State should be separate. |
Church and State? In their current forms, absolutely yes. |
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