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Really, really f*cking scary. (pg. 9)
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| El K Dee |
| and he's STILL yapping about his Dawkins books |
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| DJ_Elyot |
| quote: | Originally posted by El K Dee
and he's STILL yapping about his Dawkins books |
Does anything cogent or meaningful ever come out of your mouth? Can you give nothing better than a meaningless ad hominem argument? |
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| El K Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
Does anything cogent or meaningful ever come out of your mouth? Can you give nothing better than a meaningless ad hominem argument? |
yes but when its a debate (based on a topic recently discussed already) and you keep yapping bull about you're stereotypical views on the opposing side, there really isn't a point. |
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| DJ_Elyot |
| quote: | Originally posted by El K Dee
yes but when its a debate (based on a topic recently discussed already) and you keep yapping bull about you're stereotypical views on the opposing side, there really isn't a point. |
Simply calling it bull does not make it so. Your (not "you're" :p) side's arguments are no less stereotypical. |
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| El K Dee |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
Simply calling it bull does not make it so. Your (not "you're" :p) side's arguments are no less stereotypical. |
all we're saying is that just because we have faith in God doesn't make us any less intelligent than the atheists yet you keep talking about how we constantly shove our ideas on to you and other non believers despite it being absolutely untrue.
PS. Oh learned one, you forgot to pick on 'it's' instead of 'its' |
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| DJ_Elyot |
| quote: | Originally posted by El K Dee
all we're saying is that just because we have faith in God doesn't make us any less intelligent than the atheists yet you keep talking about how we constantly shove our ideas on to you and other non believers despite it being absolutely untrue.
PS. Oh learned one, you forgot to pick on 'it's' instead of 'its' |
I don't necessarily think theists are less intelligent. I do, however, believe that their decision-making is influenced by powerful dogma, and that the rational conclusions obtained via freethought are superior.
For the most part, I feel sorry for theists because they've been indoctrinated with their beliefs and really lack the strength or will to break the powerful emotional bonds that their faith places upon them.
Replace "theists" with "scientologists" in the previous sentence and I'm sure you'll agree with me. I just happen to think that about all of the rest of the religions as well. However, a scientologist will naturally get pissed when you tell them they are delusional. To me, you are no different. It doesn't make you less intelligent... just delusional. There is a difference. |
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| djshan |
DJ_Elyot, well said!!
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
I don't necessarily think theists are less intelligent. I do, however, believe that their decision-making is influenced by powerful dogma, and that the rational conclusions obtained via freethought are superior. |
this baffles me. can you give me some examples?
| quote: | | For the most part, I feel sorry for theists because they've been indoctrinated with their beliefs and really lack the strength or will to break the powerful emotional bonds that their faith places upon them. |
why should we break away from those emotions? you think we're inferior to you because we lack "free thought"?? |
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| DJ_Elyot |
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
this baffles me. can you give me some examples?
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Acting in accordance with a supernatural belief is like playing board games with the assumption that the dice are weighted. It is simply mathematically suboptimal to make decisions based on that kind of information.
The best decision is made by the person with the most complete set of scientifically meaningful information, and by definition, that excludes making any decisions based on anything that has no predictive power and is not experimentally verifiable. Freethought is the scientifically and mathematically optimal way in which an individual or society can form beliefs that decisions should be based upon. QED.
| quote: | Originally posted by Xavier Moriarty
why should we break away from those emotions? you think we're inferior to you because we lack "free thought"?? |
The warm, fuzzy, comforting feelings that many theists experience through prayer and worship are a distraction that blinds them to the true needs of society. Ideas like "god has a plan" and "god will take care of everything" are harmful because they provide an emotional pacifier to ordinary people, who would otherwise be more proactive in the face of environmental and social catastrophes. This reduces the incentive for individuals to look at the long-term effects of their actions, leading to poorer decisions. |
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| gummybear |
| debate about religion is so vomit inducing....:eek: |
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| Elendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ_Elyot
Fair enough. Many atheists find the text on signs in front of many churches to be highly offensive, but I feel that they are free to post what they want and that seems fair.
However, I don't believe that anybody's beliefs should be free from scrutiny just because they are "holy".
Scientologists get pissed off if you tell them that their religion is a get-rich scam orchestrated by its founder designed purely to suck the money out of those retarded enough to fall for it. But that won't stop me from saying it.
On the other hand, if a Christian calls me a heathen and tells me that I am going to hell, I won't be offended; I will just think that she is an ignorant, helplessly brainwashed product of 2000 years of lies.
If a person can't handle people telling her that her beliefs are silly, then she ought to think a bit more about her beliefs, or get new ones. |
Man the scope of your "knowledge" and your religious attitude based around rational philosophy is horrifying. You yourself are blinded by your fanaticism, and you show (despite what your intentions are) a frighteningly limited view of the psychology of humanity at large. Have you ever picked up a book on depth psychology, one by Jung, perhaps, which shows the true value of the Christian and religious myth at large? Have you explored the depths of the human mind with the framework of human myth at hand, in order to better understand the unlimited bounds of the human psyche and world collective unconcious beyond it?
It's painful and frightening all at once to see the opposite side of the spectrum; you're truly no different than the bible thumpers down south. You've embraced a blind, youthful (because that is the state of your developement at this current moment) faith in the superiority of rational intellect. If you knew about alchemy, which I'm sure you place in the wastebin as pathetic dogma, you would know that this is otherwise described as coagulatio, a dangerous state to spend your life in which will most likely result in a difficult and painful activation of the unconcious.
There is nothing to argue here, really - you either embrace collective forms of human myth and mine them for the gold that lies within all of them, or you relagate them to the trash heap, and come through all the poorer due to the inflation that comes from such activity. One is a limited scope (yours) which is an act of the over inflated ego, one is a scope of infinite possibilities, the act of humility and acceptance of the self as a far deeper and ancient power. The choice is really yours. |
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| TheVrk |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
Evolution IS NOT A FACT, it's only a theory. |
Exactly...i don't see how him refusing to comment on it is "really, really ing scary". |
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