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Really, really f*cking scary. (pg. 3)
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
Humans didn't evolve from monkeys, we evolved from african apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees. Scientists believe this common ancestor existed 5 to 8 million years ago. Shortly thereafter, the species diverged into two separate lineages. One of these lineages ultimately evolved into gorillas and chimps, and the other evolved into early human ancestors called hominids. |
At least give credit to the site where you pasted all this from.
Also, evolution does not answer where we came from, nor can physics. At this point its all best guess, and my belief in our lord and savior Jesus Christ is another guess; one which answers everything in its entirety. |
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| matty |
Earth is 6,000 years old!
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| LightsOut |
| quote: | Originally posted by evil_cookie
At least give credit to the site where you pasted all this from.
Also, evolution does not answer where we came from, nor can physics. At this point its all best guess, and my belief in our lord and savior Jesus Christ is another guess; one which answers everything in its entirety. |
you got me, clearly evolution is a sham and a waste of time.
so its the religion theory for you, instead of evolution eh?.....got any proof to back that up? :crazy: :tongue2 |
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| evil_cookie |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
you got me, clearly evolution is a sham and a waste of time.
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Exactly.
For evolution to be affirmed, it would have to mean that radiocarbon dating is an accurate and consistent method of analysis--which it is not. As it depends on specific variables that can vary from time and place. Thus if you can't accurately date objects back to their time, how can evolution work? |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
+1
It baffles me how some ppl still doubt evolution, if its so far fetched show me another theory with more supporting evidence.
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Sure...
God created Adam and Eve....
They had 3 sons...Cain Able and Seth...
From them came 6 billion ppl.......
um....
And I just did some research and found out that Adam was alive for 930 years and had more sons and daughters...
So we're all incestal....
And 930 year old Adam???
It's the only real truth...
Well the bible said it so...... |
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| VDub |
| quote: | Originally posted by LightsOut
you got me, clearly evolution is a sham and a waste of time.
so its the religion theory for you, instead of evolution eh?.....got any proof to back that up? :crazy: :tongue2 |
I'm pretty sure that I've seen the face of God....
On a few Saturday nights..........
In the laserzzzzzzzzzzz....... |
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| musicsnob_NOT |
| quote: | Originally posted by English Rachel
Not if they are in a position of responsibility that is in direct conflict with their beliefs.
I would not expect to be made Minister of Agriculture... Although I would love that job and make you all vegetarians :) |
Are you serious? You wouldn't be able to seperate your personal beliefs for the greater good? Many past leaders in Canada have been religous (both Liberal and Conservative). Abortion was struck down during a Conservative government and yet they didn't do anything to try and overturn the decision. Let's also look at the rest of the articles that came out after this first article.
Even in the article below the Liberal Science critic Marc Garneau agreed his belief or non belief is not a factor in if he can be a good science minister. He doesn't jump to the conclusions most everyone else did to promote their personal beliefs. It is a personal matter. It is a matter of faith.
I don't think it prevents someone from being a good minister,
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/serv...y/politics/home
Minister clarifies stand on evolution
'We are evolving to our environment,' Goodyear tells CTV after refusing to answer Globe question on religious grounds
Article Video Comments (682) ANNE MCILROY
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
March 17, 2009 at 7:12 PM EDT
OTTAWA Science minister Gary Goodyear now says he believes in evolution.
Of course I do, he told guest host Jane Taber during an appearance on the CTV program Power Play. But it is an irrelevant question.
That's a different answer from the one Mr. Goodyear, a chiropractor and minister of state for science and technology, gave The Globe and Mail when asked the same thing during an interview published in Tuesday's paper.
I'm not going to answer that question. I am a Christian, and I don't think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate, he said at the time.
An experiment mixing scientists and government
From Monday's Globe: Minister won't confirm belief in evolution
I do believe that just because you can't see it under a microscope doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It could mean we don't have a powerful enough microscope yet. So I'm not fussy on this business that we already know everything.
I think we need to recognize that we don't know.
Evoking religion in response to a question about evolution drew heavy criticism from people like Brian Alters, an expert in evolution at McGill University in Montreal, and Jim Turk, executive director of the Canadian Association of University Teachers.
On Tuesday, Mr. Goodyear said twice during the CTV interview that he did believe in evolution.
We are evolving every year, every decade. That's a fact, whether it is to the intensity of the sun, whether it is to, as a chiropractor, walking on cement versus anything else, whether it is running shoes or high heels, of course we are evolving to our environment. But that's not relevant and that is why I refused to answer the question. The interview was about our science and tech strategy, which is strong.
The Globe and Mail told Mr. Goodyear that the interview was for a profile, a way for readers to learn more about him, as well as a chance for him to defend the government's strategy from its critics in the research community. A significant portion of the interview was about his background and personal life.
The MP from Cambridge, Ont., is a key figure in the controversy over the science funding crunch in Canada and, in particular, cuts in the January budget that left many senior researchers scrambling to find the money to continue their experiments. Some had expressed concern that Mr. Goodyear is suspicious of science, perhaps because he is a creationist.
On Tuesday, Liberal science critic Marc Garneau said that believing in evolution is not a job requirement for the science minister.
It is a personal matter. It is a matter of faith.
I don't think it prevents someone from being a good minister, said the former astronaut, who has been a vocal critic of the government for its cuts to the three granting councils that fund university-based research in Canada.
But Jim Maloway, the New Democratic Party science critic, said that if the minister did not believe in evolution that could influence government policy. I don't see a commitment to a really broad approach if you are encumbered by the denial of evolution, he said.
Mr. Goodyear and the government have been criticized for directing resources towards applied research in the automotive and forestry sectors, for example while neglecting the basic, curiosity-driven research that history has shown leads to major discoveries.
But they have been trying to get credit for the money they have put into research, including $750-million in the recent budget for the Canadian Foundation for Innovation, which helps researchers buy expensive equipment, and $87.5-million for graduate research scholarships.
Monday night, Prime Minister Stephen Harper handed out the $1-million Gerhard Herzberg prize for scientific research.
He said the government devoted $5-billion from the January budget to science-and-technology spending through colleges, universities and federal agencies, and that research is key to Canada's future quality of life.
In the world of today, scientific and technological innovation is fundamental to economic and social progress. It creates good jobs, raises living standards, and underlies improvements in medicine, communications and family life.
No country can hope to remain prosperous and healthy without reinvesting a substantial portion of its wealth in science and technology, Mr. Harper said.
With a report from Campbell Clark |
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| Elendil |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
*badoom-tsss*
Although it's true - it is just a theory. The thing is, the Book of Genesis is not a theory, it's a fairy tale.
Quotes taken out of context by the journalist, definitely, but I still find it a little bit disturbing. Most mainstream Christians don't have any trouble reconciling the theory of evolution with the rest of their hocus-pocus. |
Holllld on a second, Digi ;)
You, apparently, like many others are missing the point of true Christianity, which has nothing to do with "literal fact or fiction", but rather exists as a myth based roadmap for the exploration and mapping out of the human psyche and development. In fact, the entire field of depth psychology, forwarded greatly by the genius work of Dr. Carl Jung, have validated the massive value and collective wealth that Christianity and other religions offer when understood as the original mystics intended.
I will admit that literalists, common amongst religious followings, are a very real problem. However, to call Christian doctrine "hocus-pocus" is to show that you do not fully understand both its origins, its development, or even its purpose. You would probably really benefit from checking out "Ego and Archetype" by Edward Edinger. I know that you're an intelligent guy, and I'm making a suggestion in hopes that you might find something which would really make a good impact in your own intellectual development. It's en examination of world myths, with emphasis on the Christian one, under the framework of a very respected, empirical scientific approach. Call it "Mining for gold in what seems to be bismuth".
And "Vdub", I hate to be blunt, but you really simply aren't qualified to chime in. You simply don't understand what you're trying to demean. The Christian myth has INCREDIBLE power on it's own; it represents the intellectual and spiritual work of thousands of great minds, over thousands of years, people who understood the need for myth to communicate ideas and ideals in order to penetrate the collective conciousness. |
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| Xavier Moriarty |
| quote: | Originally posted by mUSER
You know, you don't have to be a scientist, or even someone who believes in the power of science AND believe in evolution. It is NOT fact, it is a working (and highly reinforced) theory. Funnily enough, people who preach evolution as fact and deny any other possibility are simply religious fanatics of a different sect - which is the real scary thing ;) |
awesome !! |
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| quote: | Originally posted by VDub
Sure...
God created Adam and Eve....
They had 3 sons...Cain Able and Seth...
From them came 6 billion ppl.......
um....
And I just did some research and found out that Adam was alive for 930 years and had more sons and daughters...
So we're all incestal....
And 930 year old Adam???
It's the only real truth...
Well the bible said it so...... |
but I thought Adam was Gay
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wrong Bible |
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| love_child |
The bible also doesn't explain why gasoline ignites when it comes in contact with fire. Or why a MVC application is better than an ORM application.
Know why? Because the bible doesn't answer scientific questions at all.
It however did teach that:
A man with super powers:
- Raised Others From the Dead
- Transmuted water into wine
- Replicated Food on Demand (Similar to Star Trek)
- Walked on Water
- Resurected Himself
- He could fly
- He could heal people by coming in contact with them and speaking words.
Its all magical fiction that has been passed on by man through tons of religions that have tried to describe the complex world around us and have failed. The bible is not the answer to science questions because it is not a scientific book.
I do not read the bible to answer scientific questions and I also do not read it to answer cooking questions. There is a reason for this that most Christians overlook.
When was the last time God or Jesus fixed your computer? Why don't you pray to him to heal your Hard Drives bad sectors? Because its bull. |
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| StereoPrincess |
| quote: | Originally posted by musicsnob_NOT
Minister clarifies stand on evolution
'We are evolving to our environment,' Goodyear tells CTV after refusing to answer Globe question on religious grounds
Article Video Comments (682) ANNE MCILROY
From Wednesday's Globe and Mail
March 17, 2009 at 7:12 PM EDT
OTTAWA Science minister Gary Goodyear now says he believes in evolution.
Of course I do, he told guest host Jane Taber during an appearance on the CTV program Power Play. But it is an irrelevant question.
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I figured as much.
Who wants to bet that some journalist asked the guy originally something to the effect of:
"So you are a hardcore christian, I am assuming you don't believe in evolution how do you expect to be a good science minister?"
The guy answered that it has nothing to do with it and gets misquoted.
What I wished would happen is that to counteract the bad press the budget for science would nicely increase :D. |
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