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Iranian Election: The Revolution Will Be Youtubed (pg. 12)
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| The17sss |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
Neocon foreign policy has its basis in the belief that America should use its super power status to change the world with the goal of maintaining America's domination of the world, at whoever's expense.
If the neocons had their way, we would have bombed Iran by now. |
worst definition ever. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Clovis: in a nit-picky way, I'd say one precedent for democracy/freedom in Iraq would be Saddam gassing thousands of Kurds in his own country. Otherwise, you make an excellent point that I completely agree with (miracle?). From historian Dr. Hanson of Stanford: |
When I say no precedent I mean they were probably the worst off in terms of knowing what to do with a democracy. They have no frame of reference for it. The Iranians are more educated, more modern, and more civic minded. The Kurds are a different story since they have been operating under limited autonomy for some time now.
I don't agree that liberating Iraq has made the democratic movement in Iran stronger.
But yes, I have been agreeing with many right wing friends in recent days because people in the streets dying for freedom is something that moves us all. |
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| hardcore trancer |
This is in heartbreaking to watch all this pain and killings all the way from Canada. I feel so useless.
You guys wont hear about this but there are many people who died today in Tehran. Mainly kids our age.:( |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
worst definition ever. |
It wasn't a definition to begin with. |
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| Lemonad |
The ing Basij including children who are brainwashed into all this.
These ing scumbags shouldn't be killing their own people, but the leaders that are forcing them to do this.
I'm glad this is happening, however my thoughts go out to the dead.
This is something Iran wanted, something for the regime to show its true face.
Does it truly believe it's making things right here by killing people? This will make Iranians more fierce, resulting in the demise of Ahmadinejad and Khamenei.
If only Khomeini was alive to see this, he wouldn't have let this kind of thing happen. |
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| The17sss |
Letter just sent to Obama from Mousavi:
| quote: | From the Office of Mr. Mir Hossein Mousavi
To the President of the USA, Mr. Barack Hussein Obama:
Dear Mr. President,
In the name of the Iranian people, we want you to know that when you recently made the statement “Achmadinejad or Mousavi? Two of a kind,” we consider this as a grave and deep insult, not just to Mr. Mousavi but especially against the judgment of the Iranian people, against our moral conviction and intelligence, especially those of the young generation that comprises a population of 31 million.
It is a specially grave insult for those who are now fighting for democracy and freedom, and an unwarranted gift and even praise for Mr. Khamenei, whose security forces are now killing peaceful Iranians in the streets of every major city in the country.
Your statement misled the people of the world. It was no doubt inspired by your hope for dialogue with this regime, but you cannot possibly believe in promises from a regime that lies to its own people and then kills them when they demand the promises be kept.
By such statements, your administration and you discourage the Iranian people, who believe and trust in the values of democracy and freedom. We are pleased to see that you have condemned the regime’s murderous violence, and we look forward to stronger support for the rightful struggle of the Iranian people against the actions of a regime that is your enemy as well as ours. |
http://pajamasmedia.com/michaellede...ousavis-office/
Click the link for more. Can't be sure it's 100% authentic, but the author explains why he's pretty sure it is. |
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| Lebezniatnikov |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
lol... yeah it's definitely impressive how the new administration has handled foreign policy with their new brand of "smart power". |
"Smart power" is a term I haven't seen before... I'm guessing you made that up?
| quote: | | And, can you please describe exactly what a neocon is? |
A foreign policy neo-conservative is someone who advocates neo-conservatism: the ideology that promotes unilateral action of hegemons free from systemic constraints. Basically, a neo-conservative believes in the maxim that, in the international system, might makes right, and that hard (military) power is the most effective method of countering threats to the U.S. national interest. Unlike other more traditional conservatives, neo-conservatives advocate engaging players in the international arena, not isolating them. This is more or less what Kant termed Machtpolitik - power politics writ large on a global scale.
Hence, the threat that Saddam posed to U.S. interests in the Middle East warranted military action. To neo-conservatives, the fact that we could do it justified the removal of Saddam from power; externally, neo-conservatives adopted the doctrine of preventive conflict in order to legitimize (and inflate) the threat Iraq posed. This is the crux of where the true debate over the legality and morality of the conflict in Iraq lies (in my opinion).
Furthermore, neo-conservatives believe that national interest and goals of governance are determined by a group of elite individuals and not by the democratic process; in other words, the ideals of the elites set the social and political agenda, and not the needs of the mob. This determines both foreign policy norms (where the values of powerful states are pursued while internationalist institutions that aggregate the values of weaker states are generally disregarded) and domestic agenda items (limiting the role of government in both social movements and social services).
Does that definition work for you, or were you looking for an official definition? |
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| Halcyon+On+On |
Wow, I'm a neo-con. :cool:
//There's absolutely nothing 'new' about might makes right. :wtf: |
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| Kinezi |
| lol @ google posting 'opposition resisting' and stuff.. main guy who is like a gandhi figure.. honest and well respected through out 'ayotillah' has already made a statement that the election was not rigged and but the US media and govt is stil hooked to it.. coz it sounds better for them and their propaganda... |
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| tathi |
anyone else following the revolution on twitter?
here are some tweets in the last 24 hours from
http://twitter.com/ProtesterHelp
IRIA (Islamic Republic of Iran Army) officer: Please do not encourage international involvement, this is a matter for the Iranian people.10:31 AM Jun 20th from web
DO NOT PROVOKE BASIJI SPEC OPS, CARRYING AK47 IN BLACK MASKS. RT this #iranelection #gr88about 21 hours ago from web
NIR are attacking Besiji and IRG whenever possible. #iranelectionabout 21 hours ago from web
Besiji aiming at legs to disable protesters and Resistance forces. #iranelectionabout 19 hours ago from web
Tonight, shout Allaho Akbar from all the rooftops of Iran. Turn out lights, stand in center of roof, so besiji can't see you #iranelectionabout 19 hours ago from web
Hospitals have Besiji, go to embassies instead, if Besiji attacked them it would be an act of war. #iranelectionabout 16 hours ago from web
Confirmed Australian Embassy accepting injured: No. 13, 23rd Street, Khalid Islambuli Ave - Telephone+98 21 8872 4456about 18 hours ago from web
Arrested protesters confessing on state media where they are getting "orders" from: evil UK and zionists #iranelectionabout 17 hours ago from web
Besiji rumored to be continuing the crackdown through the night, and Resistance forces are outnumbered. Be careful #iranelectionabout 14 hours ago from web
Apparently bodies are still on the streets of Tehran, unusual behavior, usually Besiji take them to keep death toll uncertain.about 13 hours ago from web
Be cautious - Besiji may be camping outside embassies now. Be very cautious if trying to go to one. #iranelection [RT PLEASE URGENT]about 12 hours ago from web
RT @austinheap: *PERSONALLY CONFIRMED FROM #IRAN* Tanks have rolled in Tehran ... #iranelectionabout 10 hours ago from web |
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