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Iranian Election: The Revolution Will Be Youtubed (pg. 25)
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| Q5echo |
right:rolleyes: but how is any of that relevant? |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
right:rolleyes: but how is any of that relevant? |
you said yes to regime change, just trying to figure you out. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Krypton
you said yes to regime change, just trying to figure you out. |
just so you're aware, the Mullah's would have imprisoned, maybe even executed Mosaddeq so this tired parallel you keep bringing up is totally stupid and irrelevant. |
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| Psygnosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
just so you're aware, the Mullah's would have imprisoned, maybe even executed Mosaddeq so this tired parallel you keep bringing up is totally stupid and irrelevant. |
The mullahs came into power to remove the American influence, so if Mossadegh was in power, then maybe the mullahs would have not even considered a revolution. |
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| DrUg_Tit0 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lemonad
I've never done such a thing but wouldn't that easier said than done?
If it was that easy, wouldn't competitors use it against each other to take away revenue? Even if it works, I'm pretty sure they'll work around it. |
Well, can you write a program that does it? Ok, thought so.
Now, as for why companies don't use it against each other, it's fairly simple - you can see the IP of where the attacks come from. Now, if you target an Iranian agency from the US, noone really gives a . But if, say, Microsoft sees an IP registered at Apple's headquarters attacking them, well..there's this thing called court. :)
Anyway, added a bit more functionality to the program and a readme file that explains more stuff here [[ LINK REMOVED ]]
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Psygnosis
The mullahs came into power to remove the American influence, so if Mossadegh was in power, then maybe the mullahs would have not even considered a revolution. |
who the knows? and who cares? the Mullah's never liked Mosaddeq when he was in power 60 ing years ago. what makes you so sure the revolution wouldn't have happened earlier than 1979? |
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| Shakka |
So much for diplomacy...as if what's been happening in Iran for the last 2 weeks is so far beyond the pale of what's been going on there for years and reasoning from Bush, McCain and others as to why it was senseless to meet with Ahmadinejad to attempt to talk him into being nicer.
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June 27, 2009
Violence May Hinder Talks With Iran, Obama Says
By JEFF ZELENY
WASHINGTON — President Obama, whose campaign for the White House included a pledge to open talks with Iran, said Friday that the prospects for such a dialogue had been dampened by the brutal crackdown in the wake of the nation’s disputed presidential election.
At a White House news conference with the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, Mr. Obama intensified his reproach of Iran’s government and called for an end to deadly attacks against its people. He also engaged in an unusual exchange with President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, brushing aside a suggestion that he apologize for criticizing Iran.
“I would suggest that Mr. Ahmadinejad think carefully about the obligations he owes to his own people,” Mr. Obama said. “And he might want to consider looking at the families of those who’ve been beaten or shot or detained.”
With Ms. Merkel at his side, Mr. Obama delivered some of his most pointed remarks against Iran since the violent protests began two weeks ago. Ms. Merkel said Germany and other nations shared his view, saying, “Iran cannot count on the world turning a blind eye.”
Since the two leaders last met, in Dresden on June 5, demonstrations over Iran’s disputed elections have escalated into violent clashes, heightening concerns about instability in Iran and how to deal with its nuclear program.
“There is no doubt that any direct dialogue or diplomacy with Iran is going to be affected by the events of the last several weeks,” Mr. Obama said. “We don’t yet know how any potential dialogue will have been affected until we see what has happened inside of Iran.”
But he added, “the clock is ticking,” with Iran pursuing its nuclear program “at a fairly rapid clip.”
For the first time, Mr. Obama also directly criticized Iran’s leaders and outlined distinctions between Mr. Ahmadinejad and his chief rival, Mir Hussein Moussavi. He said last week that few differences separated them on security issues, particularly the nuclear program.
He stressed Friday that the Iranian people should choose their leaders, but said Mr. Moussavi had “captured the imagination or the spirit” of people pushing for freedom in Iran.
Mr. Obama and Ms. Merkel also discussed Iraq, Afghanistan, climate change and the global recession in a series of private meetings and a lunch at the White House. The visit comes in advance of meetings next month in Italy of the Group of 8 industrialized nations.
Foreign ministers of the group, who were already meeting in Trieste, Italy, issued a statement on Friday condemning the violence and urging Iran to resolve its crisis “through democratic dialogue and peaceful means,” according to Agence France-Presse.
The statement called on the Iranian government to “guarantee that the will of the Iranian people is reflected in the electoral process,” but refrained from questioning Mr. Ahmadinejad’s victory, the agency reported.
On Iraq, where a deadline is approaching for American combat troops to leave all cities by Tuesday, Mr. Obama said an uptick in violence would not push back the withdrawal. Despite high-profile bombings this week, he said, security in Iraq has “continued to dramatically improve.”
But it was the violence in Iran that dominated the two leaders’ discussions on Friday. Ms. Merkel went a bit further than Mr. Obama in calling for a remedy to the disputed election, saying that votes should be recounted.
“We will not forget this,” Ms. Merkel said, expressing horror at images coming from Iran.
In Tehran on Thursday, government television quoted Mr. Ahmadinejad as telling Mr. Obama to “show your repentance” for criticizing Iran’s response to the protests. He also said Mr. Obama was following “the same path that Bush did.”
Mr. Obama did not acquiesce, saying, “I don’t take Mr. Ahmadinejad’s statements seriously about apologies, particularly given the fact that the United States has gone out of its way not to interfere with the election process in Iran.”
Of more urgent concern, Mr. Obama and Ms. Merkel said, is Iran’s nuclear program. Talks among the United States, Europe, China and Russia, they said, must continue despite Iran’s disputed election.
The session at the White House on Friday was the third time Mr. Obama and Ms. Merkel have met this year. Both leaders seemed intent on wiping away suggestions of a tense relationship between their countries. |
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | | Originally posted by Shakka |
it's amazing how much courage a woman can give a man...or a President |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
just so you're aware, the Mullah's would have imprisoned, maybe even executed Mosaddeq so this tired parallel you keep bringing up is totally stupid and irrelevant. |
Who cares what the mullahs "would have" done? We'r talking about a CIA sponsored coup. I'd say the probability of not having today's theocracy would have been much greater had Mosaddeq not been deposed.
But why are we going on about this? You'r a regime changer. I'm going to assume from your posts, you are into the 1953 style CIA coup. |
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| josh4 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Shakka
So much for diplomacy...as if what's been happening in Iran for the last 2 weeks is so far beyond the pale of what's been going on there for years and reasoning from Bush, McCain and others as to why it was senseless to meet with Ahmadinejad to attempt to talk him into being nicer. |
Obama is certainly backing off his message of dialog. He might have been counting on new leadership by now. Which if the elections had been fair, that would probably be so.
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
the kind of balls youre so eager to throw around on a rhetorical string are the kind that require a jock strap that you will never comprehend actually putting on. those balls are for killing - they're prepared to be killed as well.
a few more years of the status quo and we may see more of this later but anything less than armed conflict then is relatively pointless. |
Yes I understand that, and its exactly my point. The reformists will need to become the resistance. Right now it doesn't appear they are willing to go that far.
However, the government sure as hell is.
| quote: | Tehran Hard-Liners Seek to Show Their Dominance
By CHIP CUMMINS and MARGARET COKER
Wall Street Journal
DUBAI -- Hard-liners in Iran consolidated their advantage over protesters and opposition leaders Friday, calling for tough punishment and seeking to demonstrate their authority in security and economic and diplomatic affairs.
Security-services commanders have reinforced their already heavy presence in Tehran, a week after the beginning of a brutal crackdown that has reined in unrest following contested June 12 presidential elections. Authorities were reported to be continuing to detain, question and prepare legal proceedings against opposition supporters and those alleged to have participated in recent protests. And the country's hard-line clerics have rallied behind Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei in supporting President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's declared landslide poll victory.
[Pro-government Basij militia] Associated Press
A member of the pro-government Basij militia, center right, chants during a prayer ceremony Friday in Tehran.
Leading Friday prayers at Tehran University, Ayatollah Ahmed Khatami called on the country's judiciary to "firmly deal" with protest leaders and "set an example for everyone."
Mr. Khatami is a member of Iran's Assembly of Experts, the country's highest clerical review board. In his nationally televised sermon, he railed against the protesters and warned that Islamic law provided for severe punishment -- including execution -- for offenses considered to be waging war against God.
Security forces, meanwhile, have ratcheted up pressure on protesters and people affiliated with opposition candidates Mir Hossein Mousavi and Mehdi Karroubi. Fars News, a semi-official news agency, reported late Thursday that a top member of Mr. Mousavi's campaign was prevented from leaving the country.
Messrs. Mousavi and Karroubi, with conservative candidate Mohsen Rezaie, challenged the vote, alleging widespread vote-rigging.
Since the crackdown by security forces on protests began last Saturday, Messrs. Mousavi and Karroubi have kept low profiles, appearing to steer clear so far of provoking authorities. They haven't attached their names to any of a handful of small demonstrations that have been quickly and sometimes brutally snuffed out in recent days.
Mr. Mousavi has vowed to continue protesting, but has said he'd only do so with official permission, something that isn't likely to be granted any time soon. Mr. Rezaie dropped his protest earlier in the week.
Revolutionary Guards commanders in charge of Tehran have called in roughly 10,000 militiamen, known as the Basij, to reinforce the thousands already deployed across the capital, according to a person familiar with the order.
As they restore order, Iranian officials have also ratcheted up a campaign to legitimize the election and affix blame for the unrest on foreign powers.
On Friday, the Guardian Council, Iran's election overseer, said it has formed a special commission, including representatives of Messrs. Mousavi and Karroubi, to prepare a report on the disputed election. The commission would supervise the recount of about 10% of ballot boxes across the country, chosen at random, according to an interview of the council's spokesman on Press TV, the state-run, English-language news outlet.
Mr. Mousavi's Web site, where he often publishes statements, wasn't functioning, and appeared to be blocked, on Friday.
At the same time, government officials have sought to telegraph that they haven't been thrown off balance. Top military commanders have appeared several times on state media. Iran's diplomats appeared to have embarked on a new offensive Friday, specifically criticizing any move toward further sanctions against Iran.
On Friday, Iran's ambassador to Berlin called any further sanctions against Tehran "double standards," according to state media. The U.S. and the United Nations have slapped economic sanctions on Iran to deter its nuclear ambitions.
Sanctions are deeply unpopular in Iran, and officials have often used them to rally nationalistic defiance to the West. On Friday, Iranian oil officials said they planned to bring $100 billion in fresh investment in their oil fields over four years. They said the funds were a combination of Iranian investment and foreign inflows, mostly from Asia, despite sanctions and condemnation amid post-election unrest.
Mr. Ahmadinejad has called on U.S. President Barack Obama to apologize for comments about the violence. And Tehran expelled two British diplomats, alleging interference in Iran's domestic affairs. Iranian officials have also accused the Western press of inciting violence.
State media has put the official death toll at between 17 and 20 during the two weeks following the election. The number of fatalities could be much higher, however, with restrictions against media coverage impeding an independent account.
Mr. Obama, speaking at the White House Friday, called the violent crackdown by Iran on protesters "outrageous." The Group of Eight, the club of the world's richest economies, issued a statement during a meeting of foreign ministers in Trieste, Italy, saying it "deplored" the post-election violence.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124606972736564303.html
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I wonder how long until they start executing people. |
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