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Iranian Election: The Revolution Will Be Youtubed (pg. 14)
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| Q5echo |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
I think Ahmadinejad is one of the most honest politicians I came across in recent times.. one who thinks for his country and not his personal ambitions like goals.. he is smart in his policies.. he played a major role in lobbying against the iraq invasion and the role he played in criticizing american policies were true and hit the mark,, if it was not for Ahmadinejad, the world would stilll think iraq invasion was good. Ahmadinejad is trully a global politician.. who changes the world policies.. he is one of most under-estimated figure.. but his role has changed world views towards america a lot. |
i'm not disputing anything you've typed here. it's fairly accurate minus any real context, but....are you Islamic? |
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| ShadoWolf |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
I want his perspective on what a neocon is. Because, that word gets thrown around so much and so generally, it's as if it's being used to describe anyone who ISN'T supportive of liberal dogma. |
Zbigniew Brzezinski has been calling Ahmadinejad a "neo-con" recently. |
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| TheDemon |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
I think Ahmadinejad is one of the most honest politicians I came across in recent times.. one who thinks for his country and not his personal ambitions like goals.. he is smart in his policies.. he played a major role in lobbying against the iraq invasion and the role he played in criticizing american policies were true and hit the mark,, if it was not for Ahmadinejad, the world would stilll think iraq invasion was good. Ahmadinejad is trully a global politician.. who changes the world policies.. he is one of most under-estimated figure.. but his role has changed world views towards america a lot. |
Are you ing kidding me? You think because some f@ggot like Ahmadinejad says a couple of bad things about America he's a great leader and courageous? Go any where in the world and people have bad things to say about every country. Just because someone states their view about a country doesn't make them courageous. Ahmadinejad has no interest in Iran or its future. All he cares about is how fat his bank account can get.
And how is he honest? he steals money from the people. He condones rape and polygamy of women. He rigged this bloody election to get in. He lied to the people of Iran by claiming that they will gain a broader freedom. He claims that Iran is headed for greatness when the rest of the world looks down upon them. He's putting Iran through oppression for his own greed. He is the laughing stock of the world.
I am Iranian and i lived through the first revolution. I hate Ahmadinejad. He is the WORST thing ever for Iran. You wanna see Iran fail as a country then let a loser like this continue. How come he never stated whether or not he would insure the safety of Moussavi. Because can't. Just like every corrupt politician in that country he doesn't want opposition.
By the way, everything that Ahmadinejad says is fed through him by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. He is the grand Moolah and Ahmadinejad is a puppet. But of course you should have known this if you're such a great supporter of him. |
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| whiskers |
I've been following the fark threads and there's a lot of information to sift through. Mainly, the people agree that once the "liters" come in it's all trolling and flaming, and I tend to agree. The first few pages are usually very informative.
There's a lot of noise on TweetGrid but a lot of valid re-tweets (using common sense).
| quote: | Originally posted by hardcore trancer
This is in heartbreaking to watch all this pain and killings all the way from Canada. I feel so useless.
You guys wont hear about this but there are many people who died today in Tehran. Mainly kids our age.:( |
This is a communications uprising now, I keep thinking about the Tiananmen Square protests and how those were suppressed without the media having much info. Now, this is in the hands of the world, dare I say, netizens. Spread the word, people should be aware of this. If you have the resources, set up proxies and relay them to trustworthy individuals who can use them or pass them on to Iranians.
And, apparently, Anonymous is about to get involved. This is becoming a full-fledged cyberwar. |
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| whiskers |
| Also, it was suggested to compile lists of pictures of Basiji members, although a daunting task. |
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| Renegade |
How not to defend the integrity of an election:
| quote: | Iran's Guardian Council has admitted that the number of votes collected in 50 cities surpass the number of those eligible to cast ballot in those areas.
The council's Spokesman Abbas-Ali Kadkhodaei, who was speaking on the Islamic Republic of Iran Broadcasting (IRIB) Channel 2 on Sunday, made the remarks in response to complaints filed by Mohsen Rezaei -- a defeated candidate in the June 12 Presidential election.
"Statistics provided by Mohsen Rezaei in which he claims more than 100% of those eligible have cast their ballot in 170 cities are not accurate -- the incident has happened in only 50 cities," Kadkhodaei said.
The spokesman, however, said that although the vote tally affected by such an irregularity is over 3 million, "it has yet to be determined whether the amount is decisive in the election results," reported Khabaronline. |
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/98711....ionid=351020101 |
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| Krypton |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
is this a joke or something? |
Nope, no joke. Every "Islamic" state, or state where sharia law is the backbone of the justice system, these countries are socialist in nature, and far from fascist. Iran is one example in which a huge portion of the economy is heavily subsidized... a socialist policy. In many of these countries, the oil industry is 100% nationalized (i.e. Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.). Fascism is a union between corporations and the state. I'm very sure there isn't one country in the Middle East which can be called, "fascist", let alone, Islamic fascism. There isn't such a thing. Really amuses me when I hear the right wing radio nut jobs scream and yell "ISLAMO-FASCISM!!!" It's an oxymoron.
| quote: | you didn't pay any attention to what i was saying.
US interests in the ME are irrelevant to what is happening in Iran right now. theyre as irrelavant as France's or Germany's interests in the ME but that doesn't preclude any and all rhetoric condemning the violence used to put down common interests in democracy and fair representaion. democracy and fair representation being hallmarks of neo-conservative principles vs. violence that is inherent in a fascist system
i don't just believe the use of force is necessary to check fascist interests, EVERYWHERE! - history and fascism itself presents no other alternative. |
You are essentially correct in the notion that fascism and democracy are incompatible, hence World War II. As a result, there remains not a single fascist government in the world. Again, Islamic fascism is an oxymoron. The misconception that there exists an "Islamic fascism" gets in the way of understanding your "enemy". From what you said, I deduced you saying there was no way of dealing with Islam inspired antagonism against US interests than by spilling blood. That sounds like an absolute statement to me. And that statement is made worse by the "Islamic fascism" misconception. |
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| Kinezi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Q5echo
i'm not disputing anything you've typed here. it's fairly accurate minus any real context, but....are you Islamic? |
I dont think I needed to post any sources or per se real context to proove what I said.. it is my personal opinion based on my way of seeing things.. and no I am not muslim.. |
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| Kinezi |
| quote: | Originally posted by TheDemon
Are you ing kidding me? You think because some f@ggot like Ahmadinejad says a couple of bad things about America he's a great leader and courageous? Go any where in the world and people have bad things to say about every country. Just because someone states their view about a country doesn't make them courageous. Ahmadinejad has no interest in Iran or its future. All he cares about is how fat his bank account can get.
And how is he honest? he steals money from the people. He condones rape and polygamy of women. He rigged this bloody election to get in. He lied to the people of Iran by claiming that they will gain a broader freedom. He claims that Iran is headed for greatness when the rest of the world looks down upon them. He's putting Iran through oppression for his own greed. He is the laughing stock of the world.
I am Iranian and i lived through the first revolution. I hate Ahmadinejad. He is the WORST thing ever for Iran. You wanna see Iran fail as a country then let a loser like this continue. How come he never stated whether or not he would insure the safety of Moussavi. Because can't. Just like every corrupt politician in that country he doesn't want opposition.
By the way, everything that Ahmadinejad says is fed through him by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei. He is the grand Moolah and Ahmadinejad is a puppet. But of course you should have known this if you're such a great supporter of him. |
You are typical who watch a lot of news channel on tv but dont care to read much.. 90% of the stuff you wrote is generalization.. you are like fox news commentator..
Ahmadinejad shifted all his oil sales from dollar to euro.. this has been a major blow to usd.. and part of the reason why usd slid and lost its value.. it had been a good economic blow to USA..
Ahmadinejad lobbied in China, Russia, India to shift from maintaining there foreign reserves in usd to euro.. and all these three major countries outside euro agreed to his points and ideas.. this is the permamnant damage to usd.. all three sold there usd reserves and shifted majority of their foreign currency reserves to euro..
at the time when someone painted allah with bomb in his turban.. Ahmadinejad was one of the first to defend why muslims got angry and violent.. it earned him a lot of respect in muslim world and made him a face, a leader of muslim world.. ayotollah makes decision when it comes to iran.. but when it comes to muslim world Ahmadinejad guides them..
Ahmadinejad has on many other occassions have given tit for tat excellent rebbuttals.. like challenging israel to shed its nuclear arms before asking iran to shed nuclear power plants.. there are so many good rebbutals he made in last 4-5 yrs.. i dont remember them all.. |
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| Lemonad |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kinezi
You are typical who watch a lot of news channel on tv but dont care to read much.. 90% of the stuff you wrote is generalization.. you are like fox news commentator..
Ahmadinejad shifted all his oil sales from dollar to euro.. this has been a major blow to usd.. and part of the reason why usd slid and lost its value.. it had been a good economic blow to USA..
Ahmadinejad lobbied in China, Russia, India to shift from maintaining there foreign reserves in usd to euro.. and all these three major countries outside euro agreed to his points and ideas.. this is the permamnant damage to usd.. all three sold there usd reserves and shifted majority of their foreign currency reserves to euro..
at the time when someone painted allah with bomb in his turban.. Ahmadinejad was one of the first to defend why muslims got angry and violent.. it earned him a lot of respect in muslim world and made him a face, a leader of muslim world.. ayotollah makes decision when it comes to iran.. but when it comes to muslim world Ahmadinejad guides them..
Ahmadinejad has on many other occassions have given tit for tat excellent rebbuttals.. like challenging israel to shed its nuclear arms before asking iran to shed nuclear power plants.. there are so many good rebbutals he made in last 4-5 yrs.. i dont remember them all.. |
Typical ignorance. You're not in Iran to feel the wrath of Ahmadinejad. He does not help the poor at all!
Some of my close relatives are poor in Iran and yet to receive anything from Ahmadinejad.
You think you're an expert by watching Fox news yourself?
Go and visit the country and understand why Ahmadinejad is hated. |
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| Kinezi |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lemonad
Typical ignorance. You're not in Iran to feel the wrath of Ahmadinejad. He does not help the poor at all!
Some of my close relatives are poor in Iran and yet to receive anything from Ahmadinejad.
You think you're an expert by watching Fox news yourself?
Go and visit the country and understand why Ahmadinejad is hated. |
I do business with iranians.. iran is america of the arab world.. if you sanction/invade iran for some stupid nuclear plant they trying to build for power they need to run factories.. you santioning middle east.. and there are poor people in all countries.. usa too.. bush did took well care of the poors.. he recruited all black poor guys in army and shipped them to iraq.. nice quick fix.. new orleans was good strategy too to get rid of poors.. |
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