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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by BOOsTER
I'm not quite as happy as subtle, to be satisfied with everything I've done in last 2 years. |
Creatively satisfied yes.
I think a lot of it comes down to the "thinking" process.. when you were a newbie you didnt think so much or if at all.. you just pressed those buttons, tried this and that without thinking about it at all.
Then later when things get technical and your production skills are improving you start thinking too much and just loose the creativity.
Those tracks that i have made which im most satisfied about I remember not thinking at all when making them, just sitting there jamming trying out things.
If you can manage to block out your brain and just go into zombie mode i think you can get those creative juices flowing.. easier said than done i know.
Its also worth noting, even though your favorite producer might seem extremely good at what he does, i am certain he has more crappy songs on his computer than you. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Blaming creativity is a strike and a miss. There is plenty of creativity out there. |
I'm not complaining about "these days" or "today's music" or anything that specific. I'm not even "complaining" or "blaming" at all really. You completely misread my comment.
I'm pointing out that most people don't really have much originality or creativity in any era of music. Not just today, but always. That's just a fact of life. There is always a very small group of people breaking new paths and then the rest simply following along and doing slight variations on what the pioneers do. Of course you're right that there are multitudes of people with some creativity, enough to make a few nice tracks in established genres and put their own little twist on things, but very few people possess lots of creativity. My overall point is that it's very likely unrealistic to expect yourself to be brimming with stunning new ideas all the time, just like it's unrealistic to expect everyone who studies physics to become Hawking, Feynman, or Einstein. |
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| Stephen Wiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Stop bashing the the genre and artists, start kicking labels in the head, if you want to make a change in something you feel passionate about. |
I'm not going to dignify most of your comments with a response because they do not deserve one, but what exactly do you think I am doing, or attempting to do?
You don't know anything about me, my artists, my music, or its sales and the direction of the label (and you never will)
You've made some great assumptions, and I've got some rather established names who would argue against the things you've said in this thread (who are you by the way?)
Don't come in here all high and mighty like you know the solution. I've been talking about toxic labels for years. I coined the damn term two years before "toxic mortgages" were being talked about. The reason I did what I did was to try and do exactly what you're talking about.
I can't start out on top, although my first release did peak at #1 for both overall Trance and Progressive House at Juno. I'll take that for a start.
As for zigging and zagging, pull up not just the music I release, but the fashion in which I run my label. It is anything but the cookie cutter nonsense you seem to believe it to be.
Learn something before you pop your mouth off. I see you making this mistake quite often on this forum. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I'm not complaining about "these days" or "today's music" or anything that specific. I'm not even "complaining" or "blaming" at all really. You completely misread my comment.
I'm pointing out that most people don't really have much originality or creativity in any era of music. Not just today, but always. That's just a fact of life. There is always a very small group of people breaking new paths and then the rest simply following along and doing slight variations on what the pioneers do. Of course you're right that there are multitudes of people with some creativity, enough to make a few nice tracks in established genres and put their own little twist on things, but very few people possess lots of creativity. My overall point is that it's very likely unrealistic to expect yourself to be brimming with stunning new ideas all the time, just like it's unrealistic to expect everyone who studies physics to become Hawking, Feynman, or Einstein. |
Ok well, but how relevant are those thoughts towards improving the quality of the music? Why does every producer have to reinvent wheels, why not just improve the wheel to the point that it runs well and is an enjoyable ride? In other words, what you are looking for, does not even have to be looked for. There is plenty of room within the confines of established methodolgies of making music for great music to be made. What your asking for would require a constant change in the way people make music, ie different means to creating sounds. I've said this in the CD Reviews section, I think it was either to you or one of the other regulars, but in other forms of music, like Carnatic Indian (classical) music, or even Jazz, it is not about constantly reinventing wheels or changing things. Its about rendering things beautifully. Taking concepts, ideas, formulas, and then creating your own path and your own nuances and interpretation. So why does EDM have to constantly go through evolution, while other genres are at a stand still and stagnant in creativity? The funny thing is, in EDM there is more creativity, more chances taken, and more breaths of fresh air than any genre out there. So this whole argument that blames creativity of EDM artists, is so blatantly misguided and ignorant, that makes me really wonder about people's motives. I've listened to about 5 EDM albums the past 2 months, and i've enjoyed them all. I cant find 5 pop albums, 5 hip hop albums, 5 anything albums that are enjoyable in a year. |
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| BOOsTER |
Kismet and Stephen: Please...don't turn this thread into a flamewar about labels and what is being released...this is about the music...even possibly unreleased music, and maybe even music that's not intended for release or simply is for too narrow part of the market that it's not worth releasing...or whatever...it's the music I make for my own sake...
So please...leave the labels out of this thread..
Subtle and Jingles: you are pretty much right...there might a limited ammount of creativity...like a barrel...and when it's half-empty you fall into the clichéd scheme of things, making music the way it's expected...I need to find out how to get my brain into the zombie mode! |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Ok well, but how relevant are those thoughts towards improving the quality of the music? |
First point: My original post was a reply to Booster's opening post! I was trying to address his question about creativity, not all the tangential stuff about the "quality of today's music" that Stephen's post started. So your attempt to bring me out on that topic has been pretty much irrelevant from the start.
Second point: I am not talking about EDM specifically with my remarks about "limited creativity." IMO this happens in any artistic or creative enterprise, not just music and certainly not just one type of music.
Third point: You seem to have this false idea that I want everybody to be "reinventing the wheel" or something. In fact, I even said it was unrealistic to expect that! Personally, I don't mind if people simply work within established genres and themes as long as the resulting music sounds good to me. So you can put that misconception to bed, okay? |
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| Stephen Wiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by BOOsTER
Kismet and Stephen: Please...don't turn this thread into a flamewar about labels and what is being released...this is about the music...even possibly unreleased music, and maybe even music that's not intended for release or simply is for too narrow part of the market that it's not worth releasing...or whatever...it's the music I make for my own sake...
So please...leave the labels out of this thread..
Subtle and Jingles: you are pretty much right...there might a limited ammount of creativity...like a barrel...and when it's half-empty you fall into the clichéd scheme of things, making music the way it's expected...I need to find out how to get my brain into the zombie mode! |
Never intended it to be that. Was just offering my opinion on the approach and production to dance music. That goes for your music, unreleased music, released music, and whatever else. I'm not Mr. high and mighty here. I'm sure mine is just as formulaic as yours and the next guys. Kismet is the one who came into the thread acting like a preacher and savior to music as we know it. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Good lord, do you have a block of cement in place of a brain?
First point: My original post was a reply to Booster's opening post! I was trying to address his question about creativity, not all the tangential stuff about the "quality of today's music" that Stephen's post started. So your attempt to bring me out on that topic has been pretty much irrelevant from the start.
Second point: I am not talking about EDM specifically with my remarks about "limited creativity." IMO this happens in any artistic or creative enterprise, not just music and certainly not just one type of music.
Third point: You seem to have this false idea that I want everybody to be "reinventing the wheel" or something. Personally, I don't mind if people simply work within established genres and themes as long as the resulting music sounds good to me. So you can put that misconception to bed, okay? |
What do you consider creative? Define creativity. How does creativity give more value to music than other attributes that a piece of music might do well? Does creativity always net enjoyment? I can make creative all day, but will it impact the listener? Will they understand it? How will they reflect on something so amazingly creative, that they don't know what to make of it, subsequently dropping it for something they are more familiar with, that is enjoyable. |
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| BOOsTER |
| Oh god...My IQ (or is that iQ?:D) is not high enough to be able to have a reasonable discussion with mr. Kismet...hands down...I'm off this thread. |
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| ponsshin |
| /kismetspiritbomb_hijackthread_whoareyou? |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by ponsshin
/kismetspiritbomb_hijackthread_whoareyou? |
I know who he is, I dont think he is really that far off. |
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