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| Chronosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
I dont really get the discussion you are having, we are all inspired by our favorite type of music, electronic dance music.. (trance, progressive.. etc) which are all made for dance floors.
I dont have the dance floor in mind when making music, I make music for home listening, still DJs do play the music out all over the world.
Whether music is made for the dance floor or home listening is irrelevant, the "rules" we have for this music makes in easily compatible on both. |
Yes, you're exactly right.
Kismet7, from my point of view, it's a very minute detail in which we think differently. I already explained this in the post before you started to call my "philosophy" "too poor to defend any further".
If I for example, as an artist aswell as the listener in mind, happen to like the most commercial fluffy EDM there is, then that is what I make. And it would sound no different from the tracks on top of those charts (wisful thinking). |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chronosis
Yes, you're exactly right.
Kismet7, from my point of view, it's a very minute detail in which we think differently. I already explained this in the post before you started to call my "philosophy" "too poor to defend any further".
If I for example, as an artist aswell as the listener in mind, happen to like the most commercial fluffy EDM there is, then that is what I make. And it would sound no different from the tracks on top of those charts (wisful thinking). |
We think differently on a very big detail, you think creativity is supported by making music for the walls, while talented artists make music to express their ideas, feelings, vision, story, to anyone(people) who will listen. Maybe you don't even know what an artist is? Basically your idea of making music is the absolute equivalent of jacking off. You dont even have to be an artist to do that :stongue: |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| How is "thinking about the listener" any different than simply making the kind of music you yourself like to listen to, unless you're specifically aiming at pleasing people who have different tastes from your own? I always figure that if I make something and I genuinely enjoy the final product, at least someone else out there will like it as well. My taste isn't that unique and idiosyncratic. Hardly anyone's taste is... |
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| Chronosis |
Kismet7, stop pretending that you have a clue of what I think.
And also don't go spamming on other threads with your bull about me. Send a PM if you must. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
How is "thinking about the listener" any different than simply making the kind of music you yourself like to listen to, unless you're specifically aiming at pleasing people who have different tastes from your own? I always figure that if I make something and I genuinely enjoy the final product, at least someone else out there will like it as well. My taste isn't that unique and idiosyncratic. Hardly anyone's taste is... |
As long as you are sitting there making music, and then share that music with someone, you are making music for a listener, including yourself. If you say you are making music for yourself, to listen to, and no one will ever hear it, then sure I guess you are not thinking about the listener at all. But what is the use of that? Therepeutic reason? Passing Time? Testing one self? In that case, you are not an artist, just someone using music for a different purpose than what we consider art. Art should be experienced, reflected upon, enjoyed...if its made for oneself, I dont know if that can be considered art, or that person can be considered an artist. Did Picasso make his art purely for himself? If he did, would we know him as an artist? Would we even know him? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
If you say you are making music for yourself, to listen to, and no one will ever hear it, then sure I guess you are not thinking about the listener at all. |
But that wasn't what I said. All I'm saying is that it looks like you're making a distinction without a difference. You say you "think about the listener." My response is "Well, who doesn't?" My point is that by making things according to your own taste, you're also automatically considering the tastes of people who are similar to you. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chronosis
Kismet7, stop pretending that you have a clue of what I think.
And also don't go spamming on other threads with your bull about me. Send a PM if you must. |
i do have a clue, that you are clueless about music, art, people etc. And you are the one that clued me in lol. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
But that wasn't what I said. All I'm saying is that it looks like you're making a distinction without a difference. You say you "think about the listener." My response is "Well, who doesn't?" My point is that by making things according to your own taste, you're also automatically considering the tastes of people who are similar to you. |
So basically now you are agreeing with what i'm saying. The question now is, why are you replying to me, and not to the person who disagrees. Do you agree with him that an artist shouldnt think about the listener/dancefloor because it inhibits creativity? Anyhow, you are saying basically what i've been saying. And purposely not thinking about the dancefloor or listener does not mean you are not thinking about it when creating music, it becomes the norm that you dont have to think about it. But then again some producers concsiously think about the listener and dancefloor all the time, and I think these producers create the best music, since it shows in the quality of their music. |
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| Subtle |
Kismet, you are making too much of it.
If you are a producer and you have a certain sound which have been successful and listeners expect you to make more of the same, which can bring two example scenarios:
1. You listen to the crowd and whore your sound for the next 10 releases
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2. You do a different sound for yourself, because making what the crowd wants limits your creativity. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
So basically now you are agreeing with what i'm saying. The question now is, why are you replying to me, and not to the person who disagrees. |
I replied because it seemed like you thought we disagreed. I wanted to point out that in fact we agreed.
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Anyway, IMO there is a big difference between simply "thinking about your audience" and trying to enlarge your audience by directing your productions toward whatever happens to be popular. It's the difference between trying to please some people and trying to please everyone. I think the latter is what some have a problem with, because it can lead to safe, bland, boring art. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I replied because it seemed like you thought we disagreed. I wanted to point out that in fact we agreed.
;)
Anyway, IMO there is a big difference between simply "thinking about your audience" and trying to enlarge your audience by directing your productions toward whatever happens to be popular. It's the difference between trying to please some people and trying to please everyone. I think the latter is what some have a problem with, because it can lead to safe, bland, boring art. |
And obviously I was talking about the prior version of thinking about the listener/dancefloor. I used words like psychology, vision, creating an image, setting a mood, etc. Anyhow, this one is just about done. Thanks for playing folks :) |
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| ponsshin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
And obviously I was talking about the prior version of thinking about the listener/dancefloor. I used words like psychology, vision, creating an image, setting a mood, etc. Anyhow, this one is just about done. Thanks for playing folks :) |
yeah words. Thats what they'll remain too. |
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