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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by ponsshin
Talking requires thinking
Thinking inhibits flow
Experience inhibits thinking
therefore
Talking inhibits flow and decreases experience.
Talking about how good you are is easy and doesn't require experience. |
Look cronondevir has disciples now, roffl. |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chronosis
Uhm... From the first paragraph it seems that you understood perfectly what I meant, so you should know why I said that.
If one makes music (thinking) to please a large amount of people, one has to cut down on originality. It is precisely why pop music is so generic/blatant/formulaic. You can't have lots of wild ideas and please a large popularity. |
I think you're just suffering from "unique snowflake syndrome". You're the type who won't like something just cause its popular and you want to be cool and different. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chronosis
If one makes music (thinking) to please a large amount of people, one has to cut down on originality. It is precisely why pop music is so generic/blatant/formulaic. You can't have lots of wild ideas and please a large popularity. |
Yeah, that's so true man. Kraftwerk, Frankie Knuckles, BT, Afrika Bambaataa, Sneak, Leftfield, Westbam, Ferry Corsten, Future Sound of London, Daft Punk, and the KLF, they were all huge trend followers. They'd never have made it commercially if they had actually tried to come up with original music. |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Yeah, that's so true man. Kraftwerk, Frankie Knuckles, BT, Afrika Bambaataa, Sneak, Leftfield, Westbam, Ferry Corsten, Future Sound of London, Daft Punk, and the KLF, they were all huge trend followers. They'd never have made it commercially if they had actually tried to come up with original music. |
i think me and you just interpreted that post in complete opposite ways, but im not sure
maybe it comes down to our definition of pop? |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
i think me and you just interpreted that post in complete opposite ways, but im not sure |
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| mysticalninja |
| :tongue2 :tongue2 :tongue2 k i shut up |
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| Chronosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
I think you're just suffering from "unique snowflake syndrome". You're the type who won't like something just cause its popular and you want to be cool and different. |
Blah, blah. Did high school leave bad memories?
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
Yeah, that's so true man. Kraftwerk, Frankie Knuckles, BT, Afrika Bambaataa, Sneak, Leftfield, Westbam, Ferry Corsten, Future Sound of London, Daft Punk, and the KLF, they were all huge trend followers. They'd never have made it commercially if they had actually tried to come up with original music. |
Apparently I wasn't clear enough. Sure there have been those who initially started trends. That is something for which I have much respect. The ones mindlessly copying things that "work" is another story. |
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| DigiNut |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chronosis
Apparently I wasn't clear enough. Sure there have been those who initially started trends. That is something for which I have much respect. The ones mindlessly copying things that "work" is another story. |
You were perfectly clear. Your hypothesis was that it's not possible to make music that's fresh and original and still achieve popularity or commercial success. I believe I've debunked that. For once the ninja is right - when people say things like this it's usually sour grapes. |
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| mysticalninja |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chronosis
Blah, blah. Did high school leave bad memories?
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No because I never went to high school I did home school. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chronosis
Uhm... From the first paragraph it seems that you understood perfectly what I meant, so you should know why I said that.
If one makes music (thinking) to please a large amount of people, one has to cut down on originality. It is precisely why pop music is so generic/blatant/formulaic. You can't have lots of wild ideas and please a large popularity. |
So thinking about the dancefloor and listener equates to pleasing a lot of people now? And when thinking about a lot of people, you cant have ideas and be creative? The wild ideas are piling up from you lol. |
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| Stephen Wiley |
A lot of what you guys are going back and forth about here is very subjective. You are in essence both right because you're arguing opinions, not facts. My only suggestion would be to make sure you're aware that your opinion, and what you're using to back it up, is subjective, not factual.
Have artists created original sounds and become a huge success? Yep.
Have artists produced the flavors of the months and become a huge success? Yep.
Have artists piggybacked off other ideas, flat out stole other ideas, and gone on to become a huge success? Yep.
Have artists been so ty, that by their tyness they went on to become a success? Yep (Basshunter, William Hung)
I tend to believe that limitations are a bad thing, but that is my personal opinion. Others might believe you are stupid if you are not aware, and catering to, the market (or in this case the listeners), which essentially will make your production approach limited.
Believe it or not, not everybody wants to be a break through original artist. Some want to take ideas from others, such as Justice or Deadmau5, and take what they started to a new level, which *I* don't consider original. Again, this is all subjective. I think it's silly to sit here and go back and forth about something so subjective.
Take myself for example. I'm not interested in sparking a riot and having women lined up outside my hotel room because of my original productions. My desire is to produce Trance from a different era and remix songs from certain rock bands such as the smashing pumpkins, red hot chili peppers, pink floyd, etc. I also like to sample movies and other media and build on those things to create music. None of these things are really original. They've all be done before, will continue to be done, but I'd like to think I can do a better job eventually and hopefully have girls lined up outside my hotel for that reason and not the other. |
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| Subtle |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stephen Wiley
My desire is to produce Trance from a different era and remix songs from certain rock bands such as THE SMASHING PUMPKINS, red hot chili peppers, pink floyd, etc. |
If only this was possible. :( |
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