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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
What do you consider creative? Define creativity. How does creativity give more value to music than other attributes that a piece of music might do well? Does creativity always net enjoyment? I can make creative all day, but will it impact the listener? Will they understand it? How will they reflect on something so amazingly creative, that they don't know what to make of it, subsequently dropping it for something they are more familiar with, that is enjoyable. |
What is your point? LOL. I don't see what's got you so excited when you and I weren't even addressing the same question in the first place. I can see that you have some burning desire to increase the size of your e-penis by "beating" me in "debate," but I just got into this thread to offer some thoughts and advice to Booster. Kindly beg off with your pedantry, okay?
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
What is your point? LOL. I don't see what's got you so excited when you and I weren't even addressing the same question in the first place. I can see that you have some burning desire to increase the size of your e-penis by "beating" me in "debate," but I just got into this thread to offer some thoughts and advice to Booster. Kindly beg off with your pedantry, okay?
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My e-penis is 20 feet long, I can't possibly grow it any larger. I can feed a small country, pass out the paper plates and dixie cups. I just dont get the cries for creativity I run into on these forums in general. People literally bash EDM on a EDM site, citing "creativity." I listen to a lot of creative music and ideas constantly in EDM. Whether its creativity within a genre or at the musicality nuance level, or at the mix level. I dont care to beat you in a debate, i'm just trying to figure out things, and learn from listeners.
You did'nt define creativity =/ |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| I wasn't "bashing" anything in this thread. I already said that creativity isn't the be-all-end-all of musical worth. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I wasn't "bashing" anything in this thread. I already said that creativity isn't the be-all-end-all of musical worth. |
am i being sensitive? :( |
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| ponsshin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
am i being sensitive? :( |
no you just talk too much and you never did anything else so far
is your epenis preventing you from making music on your computer? |
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| hundred |
i swear there was a thread exactly like this, i fail to remember the OP to the first thread though.
i've been listening to my old stuff this week and all i can think is "wow, how did i make this? my sound has really changed...i wish the project files didn't get corrupted so i can get some tips from a track I MADE when i was in a different state of mind"
oh well. |
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ahh yes, that's the one
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| DJ Robby Rox |
The only thing different when I was a newbie is I use to finish wayyy more tracks then now, which is why it may *seem like you were more creative when you really were not.
Newbies dont obsess over sound quality, they just want a finished result of some sort. Today I def can't say I'm more or less creative, I think its prob around the same but rather then creativity going into the mix it goes into the more illusive elements like compression/gating etc. So the creativity is there its just less obvious. |
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| mfitterer1 |
Ill make two comments since this thread has branched into two convo's.
1 - to the op -
You enjoy your works back then more because you didn't know all of the engineering skill you likely do now. Thus, you HAD to focus on arrangement and creativity to make your track listenable. I recently have gone through a very stressful time and I just wasn't in the music making. It just wasn't clicking. It all became so engineering based. "Ok this doesn't sound right". "The filter closes too fast here." Etc. I was focusing on the engineering aspect of the tracks BEFORE the creativity aspect of the tracks. Hence, everything paled in comparison to earlier tracks. I realized it, and fixed the problem. Now I create my whole track with some very basic sounds and then go through 1 by 1 and do the engineering. Doing the engineering first gets you in assloads of trouble, because you become attached to each sound and stray away from the perceived idea you are going after for the song. Also, with nobody watching over people, naturally everyone will be inclined to stray, especially dj's. We here trance every single day, it's very tough to stay unique and creative when you're exposed to something so much.
2 - About the times of trance discussion -
First of all I don't think the hatred towards Steven or Olympik is fair. His label is doing something good that others don't. Just because he has an affinity for decade old trance doesn't mean it's improper for him to put out anything but that. Come on now. Also, I think him and his label are doing a very good job. I haven't signed anything over to him as of yet but I keep in touch with him several times a week.
What is ruining trance is the digital era. It's no one labels fault. It's the artists fault, and the fault of an era. The artists are at fault because they are stupid idiots who think it makes you a god or find some because you got a track released. So they pump out a ton of underdeveloped ideas and crap repetitive sounds and hence the world of trance is bloated with . This is what makes people like Steven say that there is no good trance. I am pulling 50-ish tracks a month off beatport and I have very high standards. You just have to find the right circle of people to look through. The charts are poison. I find maybe 10-15 songs in there a month worth purchasing. I only purchase 75% of those, because I know some will be severely outplayed and I don't like to play overplayed music.
It's the eras fault because now anyone can start a label. They can sign all the music they'd like, and release as much as they'd like. More artists, more labels, you follow where im going? That drums down the actual finished perceived product. It doesn't help when there are very few labels doing things right. I am a huge fan of Coldharbour and have purchased 90% of the releases through it. Not just because I dig the sound. But because I know when a release comes through on coldharbour it has a certain sound and certain quality to it. How many labels do this with every release?
Imo trance is more diverse and loaded than ever in the past. It's just not sitting there right in front of you.
Times are changing, and will continue to. Alot of people will fall, and few will rise. |
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| Tarpex |
I think for me the process was opposite!
When I was starting to produce 4-5 years ago, it was a lot about the technical war; to learn the processes needed in producing, to get something that doesn't sound like utter garbage out, there were a lot of ideas, sure, but I feel the learning process took over the "creativity", since I was never happy with good-idea-crap-sound concept. Of course sound at that stage was still garbage by today's standards, but I always thrived to improve with each track.
Nowadays, when the production process itself is second nature, it's much easier to concentrate on ideas, progressions, harmonies, mashing genres up and so on, since I know I'll be able to end up with a good sounding project, so there's plenty of time just to be creative, not to worry about how to make a decent sound out of it.
Generally, more I knew about producing, easier it was to recreate ideas in cubase. |
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| Kismet7 |
| I just want to say, i love you all. =) |
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