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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chronosis
Why would you think about the listeners in the first place if you're not trying to please them? And you can have lots of ideas of course, but then what purpose would it serve you to think about the listener as you can't know for sure if he/she will like it or not. |
What if I do know what the listener might like? What makes you think any producer who makes music might not? As a tastemaker and as a writer of music its one of the skills we have, if we are to make good music. It is a given. Not to mention I make music in many genres.
Anyhow, I squarely disagree with pretty much all your philosophies, they are ridiculously dense to be honest. Why do people create music, why do we have art? How does an artist in Bulgaria share his message with people in Perth? By making music for purely himself? This might be a shocker to you, but Art/Music has been historically made to be shared by, reflected upon, and entertain anyone who the artist can fortunately reach. But, have fun making music for your walls, I rather be heard. |
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| Chronosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
What if I do know what the listener might like? What makes you think any producer who makes music might not? |
Then why haven't you made the 2009 world wide summer hit? The point is, you can only know to a degree what the listener might like. My "philosophies" are dense to you only because you take it that way. Of course any DJ, club-goer, or anyone for that matter can have many broad ideas of what people will and won't like. Did Daft Punk sit down to write "Around the world", knowing it will be the next world wide hit? No, they made what they liked. And I'm sure the amount of success came as a suprise.
That's the best way to make any art imo. The fact that I make music conserning if it pleases myself, doesn't mean no one else won't like it. After all we have quite similar musical tastes here. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chronosis
Then why haven't you made the 2009 world wide summer hit? The point is, you can only know to a degree what the listener might like. My "philosophies" are dense to you only because you take it that way. Of course any DJ, club-goer, or anyone for that matter can have many broad ideas of what people will and won't like. Did Daft Punk sit down to write "Around the world", knowing it will be the next world wide hit? No, they made what they liked. And I'm sure the amount of success came as a suprise.
That's the best way to make any art imo. The fact that I make music conserning if it pleases myself, doesn't mean no one else won't like it. After all we have quite similar musical tastes here. |
Sitting down making music without thinking about the listener, without thinking about the dancefloor, is a rather obscure way to make make electronic dance music. I can debunk your logic with your own example, because even Daft Punk was thinking about the listener and the dancefloor when they made 'Around the World', they surely werent making that track to the walls. Why do you think they used a 4/4 beat if they werent thinking about making people dance? Why use a hooky vocal if they did not expect the listener to sing along like you might have done many times "Around The World Around The Worrrrrrrld" lol? Even Boards of Canada were thinking about the listener when they made 'Geogaddi' album. Obviously to reach and talk, and express themselves to listeners. Can you imagine them making music without thinking about the listener? You wouldnt hear all those twisted nostalgic details in the music. Do you need to see more? Can you even give me examples of quality music made without the listener in mind? Or dance music without the dancefloor in mind? Cause if they didn't think about you by making music you might enjoy (obviously it didnt reach you), then what good did that do them as artists? lol
Most artists who make electronic dance music, make it to epxress ideas to listeners and to dancefloors, and to do they have to be concsiously thinking about the impact the music might have at the listener level and the dancefloor level. Otherwise what value might it have to the listener or to the dancefloor, and what value does it have to the artist that is not being heard?
That said, I'll take the risk of thinking about both the listeners and the dancefloor when I create electronic dance music. And you take the risk of making music for walls and yourself, which is rather greedy, and we can compare results. |
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| Chronosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
Most artists who make electronic dance music, make it to epxress ideas to listeners and to dancefloors, and to do they have to be concsiously thinking about the impact the music might have at the listener level and the dancefloor level. |
Obviously we have different approaches to this matter, but I think the results can often be similar. I'm a listener. When you produce, you have me in mind. When I produce, I also have me in mind. :p
Making music for dancefloors, I couldn't try out all kinds of new and "unorthodox" things, which partly keeps producing interesting and fun for me.
Also you express yourself to the listeners everytime they listen to your music. That's how music is. Makes no difference to make music to reach, you reach, it happens. |
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| Stephen Wiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
That said, I'll take the risk of thinking about both the listeners and the dancefloor when I create electronic dance music. And you take the risk of making music for walls and yourself, which is rather greedy, and we can compare results. |
You both need to have a common goal before you can compare results.
You also have to produce a track and get these results you speak of.
Would like to see this materialize |
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| Chronosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stephen Wiley
You also have to produce a track and get these results you speak of.
Would like to see this materialize |
It baffles me how little people seem to pay attention to signatures. :( |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chronosis
Obviously we have different approaches to this matter, but I think the results can often be similar. I'm a listener. When you produce, you have me in mind. When I produce, I also have me in mind. :p
Making music for dancefloors, I couldn't try out all kinds of new and "unorthodox" things, which partly keeps producing interesting and fun for me.
Also you express yourself to the listeners everytime they listen to your music. That's how music is. Makes no difference to make music to reach, you reach, it happens. |
So you basically acknowledge that your philosophy is to poor to defend any furthur. Since you avoided pretty much every point I made against it. The funny thing is, not even you could follow your own philosophy because it is so ridiculous. If you can, I'd love to hear good electronic dance music that does not think about the listener, does not think about the dancefloor. So lets do this, we'll create music made using the philosophies shared here. I mean if you believe what you are saying is correct, you would take up the offer without hesitating to prove what you say has some merit. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Stephen Wiley
You both need to have a common goal before you can compare results.
You also have to produce a track and get these results you speak of.
Would like to see this materialize |
We would already have the common goal, to prove our philosophies. |
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| Chronosis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kismet7
So you basically acknowledge that your philosophy is to poor to defend any furthur. Since you avoided pretty much every point I made against it. The funny thing is, not even you could follow your own philosophy because it is so ridiculous. If you can, I'd love to hear good electronic dance music that does not think about the listener, does not think about the dancefloor. So lets do this, we'll create music made using the philosophies shared here. I mean if you believe what you are saying is correct, you would take up the offer without hesitating to prove what you say has some merit. |
I don't have a philosophy to defend. I have a way of making music. You're the one thinking your way is the popularily accepted only right one.
You think you made points against something. You only explained what you think 2 artists were thinking while making music. I'm sure you're right about Daft Punk thinking about dance floors, but they also added their personal twist, which proved widely successfull and made them unique. On your take about Boards Of Canada, I'm not that sure.
On the questions:
"Can you imagine them making music without thinking about the listener?"
Easily.
"Can you even give me examples of quality music made without the listener in mind?"
How on earth would I know what an artist thinks?
| quote: | | We would already have the common goal, to prove our philosophies. |
LOL
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Did I answer all your questions? Happy? |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Chronosis
I don't have a philosophy to defend. I have a way of making music. You're the one thinking your way is the popularily accepted only right one.
You think you made points against something. You only explained what you think 2 artists were thinking while making music. I'm sure you're right about Daft Punk thinking about dance floors, but they also added their personal twist, which proved widely successfull and made them unique. On your take about Boards Of Canada, I'm not that sure.
On the questions:
"Can you imagine them making music without thinking about the listener?"
Easily.
"Can you even give me examples of quality music made without the listener in mind?"
How on earth would I know what an artist thinks?
LOL
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Did I answer all your questions? Happy? |
I've heard plenty of good music from producers/artists who have obviously thought about the listener and dancefloor when they created their music, I don't see how they could have made what they did without being conscious about the listener and the dancefloor. Actually every single great piece of music that has been made in history has likely been made with the listener in the artist's mind. Because an artist is obviously expressing to someone, anyone who will listen, isnt he? And you have yet to give me an example of a song you think the producer did not think about the listener and dancefloor, go ahead speculate, because as artist/producer I can easily speculate what music is thoughtful of the listener and the dancefloor. |
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| Subtle |
I dont really get the discussion you are having, we are all inspired by our favorite type of music, electronic dance music.. (trance, progressive.. etc) which are all made for dance floors.
I dont have the dance floor in mind when making music, I make music for home listening, still DJs do play the music out all over the world.
Whether music is made for the dance floor or home listening is irrelevant, the "rules" we have for this music makes in easily compatible on both. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Subtle
I dont really get the discussion you are having, we are all inspired by our favorite type of music, electronic dance music.. (trance, progressive.. etc) which are all made for dance floors.
I dont have the dance floor in mind when making music, I make music for home listening, still DJs do play the music out all over the world.
Whether music is made for the dance floor or home listening is irrelevant, the "rules" we have for this music makes in easily compatible on both. |
Do quote who you are talking... |
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