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Let's talk about Michael Vick (again) (pg. 8)
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
At the risk of turning this into a gay joke, would you have given a if it'd been cockfighting?
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and since i already stated that i'm pretty much the type of person who won't even kill a spider...yes. probably not as much though, but then that opens a whole new can of worms regarding which animal is higher up on the food chain/more domesticated/serves more of an emotional purpose to humans. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
no actually..people who train their dogs to be mean usually do it for protection, not sport/gambling:) |
I guess that begs the question, is it more important to protect your wealth...or to raise it? I mean, if you're training one for protection, you're putting it in jeopardy because in the effort to protect, it's still in danger.
I really don't see the difference. |
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| Slylee |
| wait let me get this straight...you're totally cool with underground, illegal dog fighting? |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
wait let me get this straight...you're totally cool with underground, illegal dog fighting? |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
It doesn't make it OK, but what do you want? The statutes don't say "x years in prison and a complete inability to earn a living following prison."
Should he be told to spend time in jail, then be relegated to a job at the local convenience store? He's a professional athlete, why should an unrelated conviction mean he should be forced out of his job? If he's good at it, that's all a team should care about.
To be honest, the Eagles got off cheap if he performs well this year.
Again, it's not like I'm endorsing dog fighting, but this attempt to ruin Vick for life is getting absurd. Let the guy pay the debts that our legal system enacted for those offenses and let it go. I mean, other celebrities have done much worse, and no one cared nearly as much. |
As I said before...no. I'm just trying to get to your motivation for completely condemning the guy for life.
As mentioned earlier in the thread, Kobe gets accused for rape, but since it's with a human, she can settle the case/drop charges and suddenly he's a hero again. In this instance, the act is less egregious, yet everyone cares like he was cage fighting humans to their deaths.
At the same time, you admitted that you view some species as being less than others (dogs v. chickens). |
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| Slylee |
well you could have fooled me lol
i was confused for a minute because you seem to keep posting lengthy defensive posts that explains and/or defends his actions and pretty much goes against what i'm trying to argue.
i thought if you agreed it's a ty thing to do, you'd just plain ol' agree that he's a piece of for what he did:gsmile:
also, i have way more sympathy for dogs than a slutty 19 year old who went to a married pro basketball player's hotel room. and yea, i think kobe is a piece of too:)
the difference between animals and humans is free choice. dogs don't say, "hey! i'd really like to fight some other dogs and rip them to shreds and make you lots of money. can you please train me to do this??"
it's a fact that what dogs want to do most in life is please their owners, and it's a shame when a dog ends up in the home/care of a ed up greedy sociopath.
anyway what other redeeming qualities does vick possess other than being a good athlete? why should i "give him another chance" after what he did? oh that's right, i don't have to. lol just like you don't have to agree with me...as long as he can play for the eagles it's all good;)
| quote: | | He's a professional athlete, why should an unrelated conviction mean he should be forced out of his job? If he's good at it, that's all a team should care about. |
so by this theory, if an employee of yours was convicted of child pornography and did his time, but is a great employee who makes you a ton of money, it won't matter to you right? lol real standup guy you would be. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
so by this theory, if an employee of yours was convicted of child pornography and did his time, but is a great employee who makes you a ton of money, it won't matter to you right? lol real standup guy you would be. |
If he's one of the tops in his field, yes, if he's not doing it anymore. Though I'd probably be making sure he was keeping in line.
Look, I won't deny I put the bottom line before my emotions. I guess that means there's something wrong with me. |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
If he's one of the tops in his field, yes, if he's not doing it anymore. Though I'd probably be making sure he was keeping in line.
Look, I won't deny I put the bottom line before my emotions. I guess that means there's something wrong with me. |
it's called a lack of integrity:)
i personally would have a really hard time looking my own children in the eye every day knowing that i continue to keep a child molester on my payroll, but hey everyone's different. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
the difference between animals and humans is free choice. dogs don't say, "hey! i'd really like to fight some other dogs and rip them to shreds and make you lots of money. can you please train me to do this??" |
Some breeds of dogs, if they weren't trained by humans, would rip each other to shreds in many instances. I don't really understand how this flies by you. Go throw a bunch of untrained pit bulls into an 9 sq. mile habitat at birth and see what happens.
| quote: | | it's a fact that what dogs want to do most in life is please their owners, and it's a shame when a dog ends up in the home/care of a ed up greedy sociopath. |
I don't think that's a fact and I don't even know how you'd try to prove it.
| quote: | | anyway what other redeeming qualities does vick possess other than being a good athlete? why should i "give him another chance" after what he did? oh that's right, i don't have to. lol just like you don't have to agree with me...as long as he can play for the eagles it's all good;) |
FYI, i'm not an eagles fan. I could give a which team he plays for, but this boycott to sign him has been absurd. As I said before, the legal system provides penalties for actions. Prohibiting him from doing the job that he succeeds at is not mandated (and shouldn't be).
As for what other qualities does he have...you might have just hit the nail on the head there. As stated before, wtf else is he supposed to do? At least his success on the football field helps other people, too. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by Slylee
it's called a lack of integrity:)
i personally would have a really hard time looking my own children in the eye every day knowing that i continue to keep a child molester on my payroll, but hey everyone's different. |
I guess, if you want to be a bitch about it. I just believe that we set penalties for offenses, going beyond them is beyond the scope of what our society has dictated through law. Additionally, you make it sound like this only affects the person involved, which it doesn't. Other people are harmed when people with specialized talent are unable to perform their duties, which is exactly what you're advocating.
It really has nothing to do with my integrity, because I obviously live by different standards, yet have full integrity to those.
I wasn't making this a personal debate, but now it seems you can't actually argue on the logical merits and have resorted to taking shots. |
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| Groundhog Boy |
| BTW, glad to see that you abandoned the LSAT. You'd have been a ty lawyer if you can't see and argue both sides of a matter. |
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| Zild |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
BTW, glad to see that you abandoned the LSAT. You'd have been a ty lawyer if you can't see and argue both sides of a matter. |
You also need a degree and good grades to even get into law school. |
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| Slylee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Groundhog Boy
Some breeds of dogs, if they weren't trained by humans, would rip each other to shreds in many instances. I don't really understand how this flies by you. Go throw a bunch of untrained pit bulls into an 9 sq. mile habitat at birth and see what happens. |
oh ok, so we should condone it and turn it into an underground/illegal sporting event? LOL
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I don't think that's a fact and I don't even know how you'd try to prove it. |
open the yellow pages and call a vet and ask. or go pick up a book about dogs:)
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FYI, i'm not an eagles fan. I could give a which team he plays for, but this boycott to sign him has been absurd. As I said before, the legal system provides penalties for actions. Prohibiting him from doing the job that he succeeds at is not mandated (and shouldn't be).
As for what other qualities does he have...you might have just hit the nail on the head there. As stated before, wtf else is he supposed to do? At least his success on the football field helps other people, too. |
athletes who make a big enough name for themselves end up being role models whether they like it or not (whoever said they aren't role models is a ing idiot). at the end of the day, it's all about ratings and money, like i said. yea OBVIOUSLY someone who specializes in whatever type of industry and gets out of jail for whatever crime is gonna go back to what he knows how to do best. but these are every day people who aren't sponsored by gatorade and nike and on TV and looked up to and admired by young aspiring athletes. his success on the field is good for only one thing...the people turning their cheek because they're making money off him and and getting high ratings.:rolleyes:
to be honest, i would rather have seen him do less time and not be able to return to the NFL. he should have to go back to the hood where he belongs. |
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