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People critical of newer trance: What is wrong with it? (pg. 7)
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| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
Trance is the 'Pop' of electronic music.
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WHAT? Did you mean "electro" handbag trashy house instead? That garbage is all over the mainstream radio stations and MoS. :whip: |
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| Richard Butler |
Hi all
I've been lurking for the past year.
I've spent the last few years 3 hours per night trying to perfect my sound and am at last ready to unleash to a label in the next few days, but this thread intrigues me and bought me up short.
I've read every post, but am struggling to distil exactly what it is people feel is missing now.
The hardest part for me is finding a fresh sounding lead, and after a few months working on the track, I relented last night and went for a good ole super saw pluck, but all made from scratch by me so hoping it might sound a little original (mmm, maybe not though).
The vocals are of a .......... yes,...... a floatey folk female singer I've teamed up with, but from reading this I'm now thinking I need a bloke (one of my best mates is an 80s style singer and keeps asking me to do a track with him - so there's scope there).
I tried awesome guitar sounds and all sorts of wierd and wonderful leads, but in the end just kept comming back to the pluck.
It's damned trickey chosing a lead.
I think production could be compared to great classic recipe's, in the end there are certain elements to a dish / track that were just made for one another.
Trance will be with us in a 100 million years, this is just the start, yet already I find most often the combinations one tries sound too familiar already!!
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
I've read every post, but am struggling to distil exactly what it is people feel is missing now.
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Seeing how people like you seem to spend countless hours refining a sound and not once even mentioning anything about writing a memorable piece of music... |
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| Redd |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
Hi all
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Trance will be with us in a 100 million years, this is just the start, yet already I find most often the combinations one tries sound too familiar already!! |
If you're still trying to perfect your sound you're better off dropping the vocals all together. It takes so much more for a track with vocals to be decent than one without. Except if your audience is girls who love top 40.
Also PLUR. |
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| floyd741 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Redd
Also PLUR. |
WOOOHOOO PLUR |
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| Richard Butler |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Seeing how people like you seem to spend countless hours refining a sound and not once even mentioning anything about writing a memorable piece of music... |
Ha ha, you're right, getting a chord progression, bass line and melody not to mention drums and endless hours on the structure, is very hard.
Like most noobs when I started out a few years back I thought it would be relatively easy - maybe I'm too fussy on myself, but it's been way harder than anything else I've ever done.
I'm conscious about not sounding too generic, but in the end it's hard to get away from certain elements of the recipe. |
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| Viber |
what ing recipe? we all puked that dish
trance is like cooking, not baking. |
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| Sand Leaper |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
I'm conscious about not sounding too generic, but in the end it's hard to get away from certain elements of the recipe. |
Well, that's the problem. The same recipe has been used for about 10 years now, and many people are tired of eating the same cake.
What needs to be done is to take out the tired and familiar elements (anthemic riffs, snare rolls, white noise, huge breakdowns) and create something entirely different. Ben Liebrand already did it. Who else will finally take a look around and stop drawing on pop music for influences and inspiration? |
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| SYSTEM-J |
| If you want to make trance, stop listening to it. |
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| RebeL9 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
I'm conscious about not sounding too generic, but in the end it's hard to get away from certain elements of the recipe. |
if you are gonna use vocals and supersaws then you are already there. save yourself time and money and just let it be. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
I think the supersaw can still work okay as a pad sound, but please, trance producers, do not build your entire track around saw arps, saw plucks, and supersaw leads. Give the poor saw waves a rest! A whole world of squares, sines, pulses, triangles, and other fascinating waveforms is available to you -- not to mention the possibilities of sampling instruments other than guitars and pianos. They too can have a place in the world of trance.
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| SYSTEM-J |
I think the problem, to elaborate on my previous post, is that trance producers devote a huge amount of time and effort to studying existing tracks and copying them very closely. It's easy to think that replicating the sound of other records will make your own better.
I think a producer should never set out to replicate genre conventions. If you read interviews with most good producers, the records they cite as inspirations are never in the same genre they make. That's why good musicians make records that sound their own, rather than records that sound generic.
So: if you want to make trance, stop listening to it. You'll have it in your head. Don't start scrutinising trance records to see how they should sound. |
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