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Trance is dead(free sticks available for poking) (pg. 2)
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
I thought it was pretty cool that Armin (or his people) worked with a singer not normally associated with the genre. This used to happen a lot more back in the 90's than it does today. |
Dance music is so incestuous. You have plenty of people making trance, for example, who listen to nothing but trance, or close to it, and who never give much thought to trying to produce in another genre, let alone writing or listening to non-electronic music, and then they go out and DJ and spin nothing but trance trance trance. And then people wonder why the genre stagnates and starts to sound samey.
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| jason_bradberry |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
I've been listening to trance for quite a while and I've come to a point where all of its flaws are staring me right in the face.
The good?
Atmosphere and catchy leads.
And the bad?
Where should I start? Drums. Drums are the worst out of any genre. 16th note hihat patterns seem more like a strict utility instrument to make sure that the track sounds fast and energetic. The patterns are usually very simple and they are typically quantized to a T which makes it sound even more boring. The typical 4 bar melody is actually a downgrade from the eight bar melody. I have a problem with plucks. I like the sound of plucks but they restrict inspiration of creativity in a perverse sort of way. There is hardly any volume after the initial attack,so it's written as strictly one type of note duration: the 16th note. The 16th note is nice, but there are several other durations and varying them adds to the expression of a track. Oh, and vocal trance lyrics are usually utterly smeared in on-sale 99 cent canned squirt cheese.
Speaking of vocal trance...
For fun let's listen to In and Out of Love(Radio Edit). Ignore the beats, bassline, and everything but the vocals. Don't listen to the lyrics either...Listen to the notes, the note duration, her breathing, the timbre of her voice, the vibrato, the attack and decay... Do you hear THAT?! THAT is what trance is missing. It's simply not enough the beat and melodic patterns are simple; everything sounds too similar and too quantized to move the listener.
But...nobody really gives a . How can I tell?
The most obvious answer is that I can hear it, and the second answer is that the producers don't really care based on what they talk about. Drum pattern topics are as rare as a public water fountain in sahara desert and topics about music theory are typically resisted with the "it's stiffing my creativity" argument. What's the most popular? Talk about getting the new sample pack, the new plug-in or piece of hardware, how do I make Sound X(...so they can make a really ty melody), layering, sound design , and more about mixing. Learning about mixing before writing a track is funny. It doesn't matter how good the sound design is or how well it's mixed, if the music is . Would you rather listen to Bach who couldn't design, or the best sound designer in the world who can't write a piece of music?
After a decade of listening to mostly trance, it's dawned on me the music is mostly ty and boring. |
Agree 100% - thanks for the clarity of thought, this was an inspiring post. |
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| Storyteller |
| Fun thing is, if you take as much time to get into another genre exactly the same applies, there is tons of to go through :). |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by Storyteller
Fun thing is, if you take as much time to get into another genre exactly the same applies, there is tons of to go through :). |
^^THIS. Believe me theres still tons of good stuff out there you just gotta expand your horizons and dig a lil bit. |
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| Nightshift |
| p.s. ASOT sucks stop listneing to that show if you do I did a long time ago. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
p.s. ASOT sucks stop listneing to that show if you do I did a long time ago. |
Then why did you just post a bunch of ASOT-style tracks? :wtf: |
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| palm |
| when all the doubters and phonies get away from trance it can be good again. so just leave. leave it for the true trancers, those who cant live without it. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by palm
when all the doubters and phonies get away from trance it can be good again. so just leave. leave it for the true trancers, those who cant live without it. |
Yep. Posted this in MD recently:
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Given the way dance music has blown up in the mainstream in the past decade, I am just hoping we see an anti-dance music backlash soon. Disco Demolition Night all over again. Then all the trend-seekers can go do buttrock or folk or whatever the new fad becomes.
And electronic music can go back underground. :thepirate |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Then why did you just post a bunch of ASOT-style tracks? :wtf: |
Because every track and their mom's track gets played on ASOT whether its good or not.
ASOT is boring and just ruins the good tracks imo.
Global DJ Broadcast FTW.
However this is all left to taste. |
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