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Trance is dead(free sticks available for poking) (pg. 5)
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| owien |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
It's sad that it's come down to varying timbres than any other sort of musical aspect. |
it's also sad that you're yourself are bored with trance and timbers. the one key element you wanted us all to fix on in armins track was how interesting the vocal was and not the copy cat samples used to build the track. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by owien
well this topic kinda brings me to my point in dj robby thred last week about people making there own rather then using the same tired sounds.
sound design is more improtant then people give it creddit for the problem is no one wants to make anything really new or if not new at least different enough to put some mark on their tracks.
of course learning how to make good tunes is hard work and so putting a new spin on things gets put back to the list of importance.
as producers we all want to make the the best tracks we can making track for enjoying at home is very differnt then what is played in clubs for reasons that are obvious.
i will say thoe a lot of trance out there is still good but its all made up of differnt genres and crossovers and even the good stuff is still recyeled. |
The problem has nothing to do with the SOUNDS used; it's the way people are composing with them. Your idealism has no point being raised in this thread. |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
This is the problem; not everyone has realized that prog trance IS trance now. I love GOOD epic/euphoric but if you follow the scene closely you'll realize there is VERY little of it. There is TONS of really good prog. So people just need to learn that epic/euphoric is dead (mainly because it's been beat to death and is structurally predictable and boring) |
Couldnt have put it better myself! |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
Because every track and their mom's track gets played on ASOT whether its good or not.
ASOT is boring and just ruins the good tracks imo.
Global DJ Broadcast FTW.
However this is all left to taste. |
To be fair ASOT and GDJB are becoming the same thing. Armin sold out years ago; and Markus just started. I miss the old Markus. Now he is only worried about rising in the polls and his sets mainly consist of overplaying his own tracks. His sound, his radio show have completely changed over the last 2 years (for the worst imo).
It's not the music these shows play; it's what they're trying to accomplish with them. You can tell it's promotion central. There's rarely a vibe or collective offering put together by the tracks. It's usually just putting out all their new promos mixed in with their personal productions of the moment. Every set is stale now. Didn't use to be like this. And in Armin's case; he just plays some fluffy ass shat epic/euphoric. His prog he plays is pretty good. In Markus case he buried his roots and is selling out for that number spot just like AVB did years ago.
SELL OUTS! |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
People complaining about trance not focusing on percussion is completely asinine. Most producers don't focus on the perucssion because most listeners give it the same attention. As long as it serves as a formation for the bassline, the hooks, the overall sound, then there's no reason to go further than that. Though plenty producers still do.
And yeah, trance is, IMO, better than it's ever been. The sound's changed for the most part but it's up to personal opinion as to whether or not it's better or worse, but musically trance has been doing some amazing things if you look beyond ASOT or the top 100 garbage.
Also, Oceanlab is the only vocal trance you'll need. |
You are a muppet! You don't know it but percussion is the biggest most important aspect to making the track ultra danceable. Most listeners aren't listening to the percussion; but it's moving them. Good perc makes the track float along and makes it less stagnant. I can't believe you'd even consider perc unimportant. That's the thing that made SvD stick out so much to me (and others) when he came out with his first album. His percussion was amazing, and very unique. |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
To be fair ASOT and GDJB are becoming the same thing. Armin sold out years ago; and Markus just started. I miss the old Markus. Now he is only worried about rising in the polls and his sets mainly consist of overplaying his own tracks. His sound, his radio show have completely changed over the last 2 years (for the worst imo).
It's not the music these shows play; it's what they're trying to accomplish with them. You can tell it's promotion central. There's rarely a vibe or collective offering put together by the tracks. It's usually just putting out all their new promos mixed in with their personal productions of the moment. Every set is stale now. Didn't use to be like this. And in Armin's case; he just plays some fluffy ass shat epic/euphoric. His prog he plays is pretty good. In Markus case he buried his roots and is selling out for that number spot just like AVB did years ago.
SELL OUTS! |
Yeah tis true markus is coming to the edge of being a sellout.
HOWEVER, his world tour episodes are bad ass.
Do you listen to etn.fm?
they got some cool radio shows on there. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Kysora
I'm not saying it's not important at all, but complexity and variety in the percussion line is not something that's realistically important. If a song is well written, has a catchy/epic/emotional melody (or whatever you're going for) and harmonically supports it well, nobody's going to bash it because the percussion didn't vary outside what most people already expect from trance.
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D'OH!
The only thing wrong with trance is statements like this. I assure you all this is commonplace opinion unfortunately:( |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
Yeah tis true markus is coming to the edge of being a sellout.
HOWEVER, his world tour episodes are bad ass.
Do you listen to etn.fm?
they got some cool radio shows on there. |
He still has some good shows but he isn't different from every other radio show anymore like he used to be. He used to play all new stuff all the time and it was awesome. Ever since he debuted Nothing At All back in Spring it's been constant ridiculousness.
I unfortunately don't listen to radio shows anymore. I find it just ruins tracks for me. I stay way excited for making my mixes if I don't listen to anything else and it leaves more time for production. I just don't want to be influenced like all of these people I used to respect have been.
I have started to listen to a lot of tech and house sets though. I find I take it in a lot better when I don't know any of the tracks being used. |
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| owien |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
The problem has nothing to do with the SOUNDS used; it's the way people are composing with them. Your idealism has no point being raised in this thread. |
most good tracks out there that are well composed and well thought out have poeple all over the world either dancing to them or playing in thier bedrooms for all to enjoy true enough and at no point was it said otherwise.
but as that old saying goes here today and forgotten tomorrow!
[QUOTE..mfitterer1 The problem has nothing to do with the SOUNDS used; it's the way people are composing with them.
[QUOTE} and yet the genral fealing is that for the most part good tunes are still being made so why then if not because of copy cat sound design is that so? |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
I take it in a lot better when I don't know any of the tracks being used. |
same for me, i mean i dont listen to radio shows often, i only put on etn.fm when i sleep and occasionally download a radio show or a promo to listen to maybe once every two weeks. it gets pretty old hearing the same songs in the mix just in different orders.
but i absolutley LOVE Pedro del Mar's Mellomania Delux radio show. If i catch that show when im about to sleep i know its about to be a good sleep. lol. |
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| Kysora |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
You are a muppet! You don't know it but percussion is the biggest most important aspect to making the track ultra danceable. |
When did a track being ultra danceable become the biggest most important aspect to trance?
I don't listen to trance to dance to it, I listen to it because people like Andy Blueman, Adam Nickey, Oceania, Arctic Moon, Ferry Tayle, stop me at any time, they're all great songwriters, and not for their percussion lines.
I already said, it's all based on opinion. If you want to like music because it's danceable, good for you, but for those of us who like music for the sake of music, the percussion in trance really isn't important. |
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| alanzo |
| You just have to stick to listening to the good ones. Most are crap, but even in the crap there's sometimes good. |
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