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Trance is dead(free sticks available for poking) (pg. 8)
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| Bayou Boy |
| quote: | Originally posted by DigiNut
but it's still very clearly a "party" scene, you're supposed to dance and have fun. It's dance music. |
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| Kismet7 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bayou Boy
End of ridiculous, ignorant, and useless thread, I cant believe anyone entertained it! |
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| Kismet7 |
Any reason why we have these useless Trance bashing threads on the Production forum, and why do the same suspects give it a discussion? Get off it, Trance is far from dead, you cant claim something is dead if you're too lazy to look for what is good in a genre.
PS: wasting your time bashing genres of music, with rather poor subjective evidence will get you nowhere. do something productive instead. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by Bayou Boy
Trance isn't dead. I think we are all just getting a bit too old. Some of us may be getting a little to lazy to dig for quality tunes, but they are still out there. It's the same with every other genre. I've been hearing this trance is dead since I started listening to trance and that was a long time ago.
Take my dad for instance, all he listens to is music from his generation, artists such as, ottis redding, percy sledge, al green, and wilson picket. He is stuck in that generation and cannot appreciate what that music has evolved into. I think many of you are stuck in the past and can't accept how trance is evolving. Just like my dad thinks todays music is garbage, you think todays trance is garbage....which is not true. Alot of those tunes you were listening to were probably back in your raver day's and hold much more meaning than the tracks you are hearing today.
Hopefully this rant makes sense. I'm about a bottle wine down right know. |
I agree with this post the most.
Trance isn't dead, just a bunch of o-heads posting in this thread. Even if you can still find tracks you like today, it doesn't mean your still not too old.
Everyone has a "prime" they go through in life where a certain style of music has an emotional impact that just sticks with them for life.
And as they get older and older newer and newer tracks have less and less ability to move them emotionally. Its the same as marraige. Yeh sex may still be "ok" after a few years but nothing like when it was a novel experience. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Eric J
I dont want to get off on a rant here ,but....
I'm sorry, but this stuff is called electronic DANCE music, not electronic listening music, or electronic headphone music or electronic computer music!!
It is made for dancing. That's the whole point! It is supposed to make you move! Implying that being dancable or having good percussion is unimportant is akin to saying that 4 tires and a steering wheel is unimportant to on a car. Is it still a car if it doesnt have those things?
The point of a car is to provide a means of getting you from one place to another. The point of this music is to make you DANCE! Everything else is a secondary consideration. If you want music that's good for home listening then take a look at ambient, that's pretty good for listening at home or on headphones.
Maybe I'm just old, but I grew up going to warehouse parties on the fringes of town, clubs in the seedier parts of the city and raves in the middle of nowhere. This is where you learn what this music is supposed to be about. THIS is the root of this music, THIS is the "movement" that drew a lot of us into this. Running around in some dark room or some field somewhere, 4/4 kick drums pounding out of huge PA speakers, the DJ sitting in some corner having just as much fun as you WITHOUT acting like he is Jesus Christ.
Maybe this got lost along the way somewhere, and maybe this is one of the reasons why some kids these days just don't get it. Maybe some people need to go back and learn WHY this music is, and what it is truly all about, because I can tell you that superstar DJs with their hands in the air playing to arena sized crowds is NOT what this music was intended to be about. I hate seeing huge stages with 20,000 people watching one guy with a tiny setup in the middle of a huge stage. its just not right. You need to have a small club with a few hundred people, or a field in the middle of nowhere, going crazy to pounding grooves at 4 AM and not paying one bit of attention to the person who just happens to be playing the music.
Maybe thats part of the reason why other genres have such a hard time taking trance-heads seriously. Look at other genres and you dont see that . I love trance, I really do, but what it has become as of late just turns my stomach, makes me absolutely sick, because it has lost its ROOTS.
I'm sorry, I usually dont like to get involved in discussions like this, but that has to be once of the most ed up things I have ever heard. Electronic dance music doesn't have to be dancable????? That's just crazy.
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Thank you! 100% agreed. Just need a couple thousand more talented producers/djs like this and things will change and heads will roll ::cough:: armin, tiesto ::cough:: |
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| Richard Butler |
I've been very conscious of not becomming one of those people, the majority in fact, that get stuck in a time warp.
Most middle aged people I know, are stuck on 70's or 80's music. Go a bit older and most people are stuck on 50's, 60's stuff.
Psychologists tell us that this is because of brain imprinting - where the brain at certain times is open and reay for new impressions that are then 'seared' onto our brains. Those impressions then can become very dominant and drive a personality.
This behavior stems from a Darwinian evolutionary imperative; That is, the in built impulse for us to value stability and shun change. The reason is that the more stable an organism is, the more likely it is to survive long enough to pass on genetic material - the ultimate 'goal' for mother nature.
However, the take home message is you don't have to surrender to these impulses.
Me, I hate most old stuff, but I'm not young. I find the new sound very exciting - people like Akesson really pushing the current sonic limits.
As for 16 style beats - well thats just a nonsense. Truly great professional tracks tend to be very complex in the drums area but as ever they make it sound easy, afterall there can often be many things going on but unless you really listen close, often your brain doesnt register all the nuances, and just heres a simple beat.
BACH - yeah it's ok and I can appreciate it as well crafted, but it is'nt that great - all classical stuff more or less sounds the same, and tunes meanders all over the place which in fact I think is easier than making a low amount of chord / melody content go a long way.
With classical the writer can take all sortsd of twists and turns - indeed many dance noobies exhibit this 'lack of discipline' and thier tracks meander all over.
Jazz and all that is so utterly boring and so simple - a jazz musician just needs to know one instrument inside out - how simple really being able to dedicate your life to knowing just one instrument - all you neeed to do is keep practicing with that one thing, wow, not. |
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| Sonic_c |
| quote: | Originally posted by Beatflux
music theory are typically resisted with the "it's stiffing my creativity" argument.
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I am a constant campaigner for music theory on TA and that comment is all I get bar cryo and few others theat usually contribute. I even did tutorials for beginners from my class notes and all I got was
"Why do we even need it my tunes are good anyway"
Someone even said
"see I knew it this is why i dont bother earning theory" [paraphrase]
I agree with you 70/30 since i began to study music composition and theory i began to yearn for more musical and harmonic content in trance. I began to look at the 3 note hooks as a bit lame thats why unfortunatley my love of hard dance fizzled away.
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I do admire the high end producton sound maybe all anjunabeats tracks sound in a similar vein but damn they do sound good dont they? |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Richard Butler
BACH - yeah it's ok and I can appreciate it as well crafted, but it is'nt that great - all classical stuff more or less sounds the same, and tunes meanders all over the place which in fact I think is easier than making a low amount of chord / melody content go a long way.
With classical the writer can take all sortsd of twists and turns - indeed many dance noobies exhibit this 'lack of discipline' and thier tracks meander all over.
Jazz and all that is so utterly boring and so simple - a jazz musician just needs to know one instrument inside out - how simple really being able to dedicate your life to knowing just one instrument - all you neeed to do is keep practicing with that one thing, wow, not. |
See, this is what I mean by incestuous music, trance producers who disdain everything but trance and think that classical and jazz are boring and easy compared to their little niche.
Funny how people who think that mastering an instrument is "simple" are always the ones who have never even tried. |
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| Nick Cenik |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
Minimal and techno FTW |
+1 :haha: |
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| Kysora |
You people are ing amazing
First of all, where did the assumption that I'm new to the scene come up? I was introduced to EDM through local clubs, certainly not "underground" but I understand the importance of percussion and energy in a dance track. Stop assuming I don't just because I think that, off the club, there's a variety of trance out there not meant to be played in venues like those.
You guys are always the first ones to argue that the genre's changed, that things are completely different than the scene was in the 90's, and yet when I bring up a point that most modern trance has shifted its focus from raw energy, driving percussion, catchy hooks and pounding basslines and towards emphasis on the progression and sweeping melodies, you all jump on me for it.
I never once said "percussion isn't important" as a universal idea, I was simply explaining that the lack of varied percussion, which was the first point brought up, is due to that shift in focus by a good number of producers today. I also said it's up to personal opinion whether or not you see trance as a purely danceable style of music which should emphasize the bassline and percussion, or if you see it as a relatively unexplored song form with potential for new musical expression and ideas through the melodies and harmonies.
The only difference between you guys and me is that I'm willing to acknowledge both sides exist, because they clearly do, but you're all insisting that everyone should listen to trance for the same reason and for the same things and anyone who does otherwise is somehow listening to trance incorrectly. Which, as someone said before, boggles my ing mind. Trance isn't the only genre of music I listen to, but when I listen to it, I want to listen to it for the melodic passages, not because the percussion would potentially be danceable if it were played in a setting other than the one I typically listen to trance in. If you enjoy trance because of the percussion lines, fine, go ahead, it's dance music and I understand that, but don't jump on me and say I'm somehow listening to trance incorrectly if I disagree with you.
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| I did assume a bit much, sorry about that. |
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