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how do you feel about people pirating your music? (pg. 2)
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| Storyteller |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
I think a lot of kids download music illegaly and then end up paying for music when they get older, so it's a bit rough to say they aren't real music lovers if they don't pay for it. |
I disagree. I know of one person amongst my non-dj friends that actually does legal downloads. That's it. From the dj's amongst my friends it's about 50/50.
I'm positive that if you truely appreciate a person's music you would pay for it even if you can get it for free. I know I do. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
I think a lot of kids download music illegaly and then end up paying for music when they get older, so it's a bit rough to say they aren't real music lovers if they don't pay for it.
I know I used to download illegaly and I'll bet most if not all of you did too when you were younger, and yet we all pay for it now and love it as equally as before. |
i also agree with this..
are we talking about EDM here, or all music?
i think when it comes to EDM i'm the same as storyteller, pretty much 50% of djs i know download legally (actually maybe around 70%), while other mates into edm who don't dj usually don't get singles at all, and just d/l sets... essentially getting them for free, but.. yeah... :p
when it comes to music more generally i really think the whole pirating issue is over-rated.. most people i know will download singles illegally, then if they like the artist will buy the album...
the last statistics i saw (which was about a year ago though, so i'm sure there would have been slight variations since) supported my last point anyway: sales have gone down for singles, but album sales as a whole have not decreased... labels just aren't INCREASING as much as they'd like to, since marketting tools seem to think the market can perpetually expand...
also, as i put in my last post, i think a big problem comes from marketting idiots assumptions that illegal downloads constitute lost sales.
if people download something illegally it doesn't mean they would have bought it.
a lot of the time illegal download is a tester...
edit: I know the piracy debate is a little bit beside the point anyway, but it just annoys me a bit when everybody assumes that everybody is stealing everybody's music.. if the music industry were more progressive and less stuck in their anachronistic bubbles maybe they would stop having so much trouble making that extra few billion dollars, of which the artist sees nothing anyway, and would leave the public alone, and stop punishing all of us for the actions of a few... and punishing us for their own mistakes!!
anyway: LINK |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
At this point I don't care cause I'm a nobody.
If I ever became famous like echo said, my attitude would be the exact opposite, and Id have a stronger obligation to attempt controlling it in whatever little ways I could.
And if you make a " all" amount of money, just imagine how much youd be making if people didn't pirate the . I still think very few people actually get to ever experience that though. |
That's ing retarded! Make a ing decision and stick with it. You want as many people as possible to hear your music. The means of reaching them doesn't matter. In the end of the day we are doing this as a reflection of ourselves through our music. Do you really think people that love this give a if they make money from it or how much?! I've dumped between 10-12k in the first year of producing and pretty much every single day all day every day in time. I knew going in it wasn't going to be about the money. When I spent my first 4500 on my dj set up my parents tried rationalizing that it's something that is an investment. That the money will come back out in time. The thing is; going in, and all throughout, I haven't given a . If I was poor and didn't have the money for the tracks I buy then hell yes I would pirate them. Hell yes I would encourage people to buy my music; but hell yes I'm going to be equally as excited about seeing my tracks spread out all over the place via pirating and file sharing.
Anyone who actually says they care about how much money they make from producing better be dj'ing as well. If not you just have no excuse. For anyone trying to reach a maximum amount of people with their music as a goal you should have known from the start that this is a two part job. There are people who do production and djing separately as hobbies; and that's cool, but imo this is a two part race and you get no say unless you run both legs so to speak. Me personally I see my productions as supporting my djing. Not fiscally, but in that dj'ing is what I enjoy the most. All I want is people to listen to what I have to say.
I grew up inspired by many of the good hip hop and rap producers and i've always thought that good trance was rap and hip hop minus the vocals. When I first started listening to it I realized that the space usually accompanied by vocals in commercial music was open, freeing myself to go on my own journey of thought based on what the beat felt like to me. Coincidentally when I started listening to trance mixes and music in the early 2000's ( that feels weird to say) listening to this music helped me a lot in my maturity based on the fact that trance was encouraging me to develop my own thoughts and feelings instead of listening to someone elses. Vocals can only be interpreted one way. Sounds can be seen in a number of different ways.
Music is very powerful. All I want to do is relay my thoughts and what i feel to others; wherever they may be and however they may acquire a piece of my work. |
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| SDM |
| Whats the point now that Spotify has offline mode? |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by SDM
Whats the point now that Spotify has offline mode? |
What's the point of what?
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I wouldn't really mind anyone "pirating" my stuff as long as nobody made profit off it.
The other group of downloaders are the 1337 scenesters who wouldn't buy the music anyway as they just want the latest stuff no matter what it is so it's not really a loss either. |
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| SDM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
What's the point of what?
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piracy... just get your music out on spotify and everyone can get it for free without it being illegal. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by SDM
piracy... just get your music out on spotify and everyone can get it for free without it being illegal. |
Seems to me the offline mode is only available for the ones who pay €9,99/month. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by SDM
piracy... just get your music out on spotify and everyone can get it for free without it being illegal. |
Because people don't look at free music the same way they do "real" music. Plus why not at least put it up to make a profit? I mean it can't hurt. So you lose a portion of your potential sales it!
If you're a good enough producer the sales you lose up front you'll more than gain in how many long term fans you gain. |
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| SDM |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Seems to me the offline mode is only available for the ones who pay €9,99/month. |
that might be true, didnt really think of that. |
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| Owsey2008 |
| I'd be quite happy to see my music being shared so much. You're not making money, but at least lots of people are listening to it. |
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| RichieV |
i am ok with people that use for inspiration ( musicians , producers .... )
people that make a profit or use it for personal enjoyment i expect to pay ( djs, regular consumers) |
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