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how do you feel about people pirating your music? (pg. 6)
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| Like I said elsewhere, I think dance music producers should get a second job with a reliable and decent income. That way if they make tracks full of boring cliches and stupid ideas they can never excuse it by saying, "B-b-b-but I need to make a living! This is what sells!" |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
i think EDM is suffering the most because they have restricted the potential fan base to only djs. EDM labels are almost as dumb as old fashioned labels. MP3 sales are increasing every year and I don't think EDM is so esoteric that nobody listens to it. People just don't know how to market it.
also the ratio needs to be controlled. |
Edm is suffering because idiots run it. Most of these guys aren't businessmen who became musicians they are musicians who became businessmen. Most of these guys had no outside dealings or experience in any other comparable field to ready them for what they were undertaking.
People do know how to market it. Just not the people who are currently running the ship. A lot will change in the next ten years. Once everyone understands that dj's don't mean to a producers sales and name recognition/growth then things will start to change.
Whenever a label talks to you the first thing you should be asking is "how are you going to get this into the homes of my fans/future fans?" |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
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it's difficult to explain it in terms you could understand... poor me having to deal with this stuff :( |
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1: if you were having people download your music you would be considered famous since someone other than yourself liked you... but you don't, so your not. |
Real funny, too bad the fact is you CHOSE to deal with this. So there is no “poor me” in this equation.
Now, back to the topic.
We ALREADY discussed this.
And you are wrong. And the reason is simple why.
NOT EVERYONE who has a piece of music on a torrent site is famous. I can’t understand for the life of me how difficult this must be for you. GO TO A TORRENT SITE, there are people who upload their mixes and self made productions ALREADY and they are NOT famous. There is a lot of it already on piratebay maybe if you actually visited a torrent site you would know this.
People download the mixes they make (which attracts them to their productions) and people wind up downloading both. So you don’t have to be famous to promote yourself on a torrent site, you have to have half a brain is all.
Also what do you consider famous? Before I even knew who Mirco De Govia was I was stealing his music cause its good, I *LIKE* it. He is not someone Id necessarily consider famous. And guess what? I can steal his music right off youtube, I don’t need a torrent site. You will also NEVER find me looking for his gigs (along with the thousands of other people who have stole his music) With flv to mp3 converters anyone can steal ANYTHING they like right off youtube. Which kinda puts your torrent argument back into its grave.
Getting respect and recognition does NOT make you famous, being widely known does. It takes a pretty extreme degree of recognition to become famous. A lot of people have no clue who the fvck Mirco is. How does that support your famous people = good music argument?
It doesn’t does it? Cause you make no argument in the first place. Its weak and it has holes in it, look how quick it just fell apart right now.
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2: it's because what he said makes sense that it's right, not JUST BECAUSE HE SAID IT. he's not a complete retard and knows how things are: you are a small-minded peasant who has dicsovered the interenet, but not the realitites of life. |
Great, you’ve already proven a hundred times before that you’re an arrogant, insecure pos with no respect for anyone. I’m sure that’s a result of your dad not beating the out of your spoiled ass when you were younger, great. Pick fights on the internet where its safe, you still look like a tool and in real life me & you both know you wouldn’t have the sack to say that to my face.
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3. how the can you say bull like "torrents suck if you ask me" THEN in the next sentence say "your not fvckn psychic & noone cares about your worldy predictions"?? |
1) Cause torrents DO SUCK. They fvck up your computer and are full of viruses.
2) Are you psychic? No, so what part exactly aren’t you comprehending? My 6yr old nephew is quicker then this..
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seriously, how can someone like you live, when you are clearly the most delusional person alive...? constantly contradicting yourself and making yourself look stupid... |
Do you wanna have a logical debate or get insecure and start name calling? This is the second time already and its pathetic. There are newbies watching us have this debate right now and you’re setting a pretty ty example for them. (like you give you a fvck anyway) If you can’t keep it intellectual, and need to get emotional over things, go grab a box of Kleenex and tell your mommy cause I don’t give a fvk. This adds NOTHING constructive to the debate except that fact that you’re insecure and have ran out of relevant things to say.
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i'm pretty sure everybody in the world knows more about the music industry than you, and if you can't realise that the marketplace is in a state of flux, and needs to adapt, not sit stuck in an anacronistic muddle, then there's no point talking to you. |
Thank you Dr. Obvious. I really hope you didn’t have to go to school for that fact.
& for sake, we are having a conversation about TORRENTS, I do not need a fvckn phd in music to do that. No the marketplace is in a state of flux, the ENTIRE country is in a state of flux. How much more general a statement could you make? Humans are always trying different things, and trust me when I say youre not the first to have this thought.
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read this, which i already posted.
http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html
the point is that the most valuable thing for an EDM producer is not money from sales (which are always going to be nearly nothing), but money from gigs etc, which you GET from having your name widely heard through productions...
what kind of retard would care bout losing 8 cents when it could mean a $5000 gig?? :conf: |
No thanks, you’re literature is not for me. (I can tell w/out reading cause I’m psychic like you) How about we take money out of the equation?
You’re first mistake was assuming that money is what this is all about, and great, you make more money doing gigs.
How about the ethical side of the discussion?
What if I don’t give a fvck about money but consider MY MUSIC my property? Is it not afterall MY intellectual property? You’re saying I should allow the little mongrels and cretins to swipe my work, cause I’m gonna make more money doing gigs? Even when its not LEGAL?
I don’t give a fvck about gigs or money, and yes you’ve guessed why, I’m not at that level. So lets assume you were talking about people who ARE of that level.(the level of being able to consistently put out good music)
What percentage of people on beatport gig? (I never said everyone who sells on beatport is good so don't try, its called an example) I guarantee its minimal. What do THEY rely on to make their money? Not torrents I guarantee it. Are they all just sitting around waiting for that 1 huge gig? (what your logic would impy)
What percentage of people who gig suck? Do you like Tiesto? Do you want people to “promote” his music by torrenting it? The fact is your entire post is a gross generalization.
Look at some of the crap you’ve spewed:
“if you were having people download your music you would be considered famous”
“the most delusional person alive”
“i'm pretty sure everybody in the world knows more about the music industry than you”
“the point is that the most valuable thing for an EDM producer is”
Generalizations by nature are always wrong, and generalizations are what plague your posts.
Non-famous people get their music stolen everyday. (happens on this site and youtube all the time)
I couldn’t possibly be the most delusional person alive, even if I was you couldn’t know that fact unless you knew EVERYONE alive.
Everyone in the music industry doesn’t know more then me, a lot do, but you’re still just full of and its still just an obvious lame attempt at an insult.
You can NEVER say what the most valuable thing is for an EDM producer cause you are ONE PERSON. The most “valuable” thing for an EDM producer can simply be JUST MAKING EDM.
So please, take your generalizations and flush them. They aren’t worth . You are not saving the music industry in any way shape or form. Torrents can promote, and you don’t have to be famous to do that. The way they promote is still considered terrible compared to the more sophisticated ways we’ve developed over the years.
And most of all, since you’re so sure famous artists would like it. Why not start sending them checks in the mail for every song you steal from them with a letter that says “I’m actually promoting your music”, I’m sure that would make them real happy.
And most of all, you’re inability to avoid name calling time and time again is directly proportional to 2 things, you’ve level of maturity, and your level of intelligence, neither of which you possess in abundance.
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| Nightshift |
| Cliff notes plz. |
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| Nick Cenik |
I just keep telling myself it's exposure. It's going to happen regardless of how I feel about it.
Besides, unless you write a huge hit, chances are that you're not going to make any considerable cake off producing. These days producing tunes is, I believe, more about building up one's name and reputation, especially so as to help get gigs.
On the other hand, it sucks to know that someone takes a few seconds to steal something that I likely spent a month or more working on. Imagine if I produced good music! haha |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Like I said elsewhere, I think dance music producers should get a second job with a reliable and decent income. That way if they make tracks full of boring cliches and stupid ideas they can never excuse it by saying, "B-b-b-but I need to make a living! This is what sells!" |
The real reason for the " ratio" is that you have all these people dreaming about being the next Tiesto, tidying up their MySpace and Facebook pages, and worrying about how to shift the most copies. All the time they spend doing these peripheral things is time they could have spent writing good music. I have even seen some admit that they don't think their work is all that interesting or high quality, but for some reason they still want to spread it far and wide. Why, I wonder.
And the garbage heap grows daily. |
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| Nightshift |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The real reason for the " ratio" is that you have all these people dreaming about being the next Tiesto, tidying up their MySpace and Facebook pages, and worrying about how to shift the most copies. All the time they spend doing these peripheral things is time they could have spent writing good music. I have even seen some admit that they don't think their work is all that interesting or high quality, but for some reason they still want to spread it far and wide. Why, I wonder.
And the garbage heap grows daily. |
Can't forget the self-written biographies from a third person perspective. Massive lulz. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by Nightshift
Can't forget the self-written biographies from a third person perspective. Massive lulz. |
Those are wonderful. I especially like the ones that call themselves "classically trained" because they took two years of piano or violin lessons at age six. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
There is a lot of it already on piratebay maybe if you actually visited a torrent site you would know this. |
You're promoting torrent sites and torrenting? GTFO! You do realize this is a music forum right? You also realize you just admitted to several crimes and if anyone wanted to here they have your ip address and could file a claim against you and potentially have you arrested, correct?
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Also what do you consider famous? Before I even knew who Mirco De Govia was I was stealing his music cause its good, I *LIKE* it. He is not someone Id necessarily consider famous. And guess what? I can steal his music right off youtube, I don’t need a torrent site. You will also NEVER find me looking for his gigs (along with the thousands of other people who have stole his music) With flv to mp3 converters anyone can steal ANYTHING they like right off youtube. Which kinda puts your torrent argument back into its grave.
Getting respect and recognition does NOT make you famous, being widely known does. It takes a pretty extreme degree of recognition to become famous. |
You're disgusting. It doesn't matter how much time and work they put into their music? You don't have the slightest amount of guilt over stealing from someone? |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
The real reason for the " ratio" is that you have all these people dreaming about being the next Tiesto, tidying up their MySpace and Facebook pages, and worrying about how to shift the most copies. All the time they spend doing these peripheral things is time they could have spent writing good music. I have even seen some admit that they don't think their work is all that interesting or high quality, but for some reason they still want to spread it far and wide. Why, I wonder.
And the garbage heap grows daily. |
Honestly you're 100% wrong about this. Tiesto is living proof that promotional teams and marketing is 10000x more important than the product they actually create. You forget that 99.9% of the world is lifeless blood sucking maggots that look to the media for what to like and dislike. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
Honestly you're 100% wrong about this. Tiesto is living proof that promotional teams and marketing is 10000x more important than the product they actually create. |
Important to what? Making money and getting famous? I wouldn't disagree with that at all. Of course, all those things are irrelevant to the quality of the music itself, which has been my concern this whole time. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
But music is a "business," after all, who cares about the art?
Those old goals of exploring musical ideas and adding something new and interesting to the world of music are so hackneyed. To heck with those idealistic types. Let us get on with the business of making ourselves more famous and getting better DJ gigs with our factory-stamped bundles of cliches we call "tracks." |
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