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how do you feel about people pirating your music? (pg. 5)
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by mysticalninja
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bahahaha :stongue: :haha: |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
That's ing retarded! Make a ing decision and stick with it. You want as many people as possible to hear your music. The means of reaching them doesn't matter. In the end of the day we are doing this as a reflection of ourselves through our music. Do you really think people that love this give a if they make money from it or how much?! I've dumped between 10-12k in the first year of producing and pretty much every single day all day every day in time. I knew going in it wasn't going to be about the money. When I spent my first 4500 on my dj set up my parents tried rationalizing that it's something that is an investment. That the money will come back out in time. The thing is; going in, and all throughout, I haven't given a . If I was poor and didn't have the money for the tracks I buy then hell yes I would pirate them. Hell yes I would encourage people to buy my music; but hell yes I'm going to be equally as excited about seeing my tracks spread out all over the place via pirating and file sharing.
Anyone who actually says they care about how much money they make from producing better be dj'ing as well. If not you just have no excuse. For anyone trying to reach a maximum amount of people with their music as a goal you should have known from the start that this is a two part job. There are people who do production and djing separately as hobbies; and that's cool, but imo this is a two part race and you get no say unless you run both legs so to speak. Me personally I see my productions as supporting my djing. Not fiscally, but in that dj'ing is what I enjoy the most. All I want is people to listen to what I have to say.
I grew up inspired by many of the good hip hop and rap producers and i've always thought that good trance was rap and hip hop minus the vocals. When I first started listening to it I realized that the space usually accompanied by vocals in commercial music was open, freeing myself to go on my own journey of thought based on what the beat felt like to me. Coincidentally when I started listening to trance mixes and music in the early 2000's ( that feels weird to say) listening to this music helped me a lot in my maturity based on the fact that trance was encouraging me to develop my own thoughts and feelings instead of listening to someone elses. Vocals can only be interpreted one way. Sounds can be seen in a number of different ways.
Music is very powerful. All I want to do is relay my thoughts and what i feel to others; wherever they may be and however they may acquire a piece of my work. |
This is all deep and wonderful and heartwarming.
But the fact remains its still just your opinion. And your opinion is no better then anyone elses.
Mostly, dismissing other peoples opinions as "retarded" only proves you are egocentric and most likely arrogant, NOT correct.
Lets not forget some basic facts of life before you decide to write a book next time you respond. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
echo said the opposite of that :conf:
1: nobody would download it even illegally unless you'r famous,
2: that's why echo said if he was to become famous he WOULD upload them to torrents for promotional purposes.
3: if torrents weren't around sales would most likely be exactly the same except the scene would be because nobody would ever experience new artists... who wants to buy the first single of some n00b??? but if i was going to download it for free and it turned out to be n awesome, i might tour him eventually... etc
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No , and I said the opposite of him sherlock.
You are very observant lmao.
1. False, people download music from nonfamous people all the time. Not everyone who makes good music is famous fyi. Shouldnt take a lot of cognitive functioning to realize that fact.
2. NO FVCKING . Is there an echo I know why he said it, it still doesnt mean that JUST BECAUSE he SAID IT that its the right/smart thing to do. There are smarter ways to promote music then torrenting your own music. Its actually pretty fvckn retarded an idea if you ask me.
3. "If torrents weren't " blah blah blah your not fvckn psychic & noone cares about your worldy predictions. If my got struck by lightning tommorow that would increase sales of music too, seriously. You are a generalizing mess who most likely doesnt know a single g/damn thing about the business of music. Cause yeh, lets all put our music on torrents to promote ourselves.
I think I just found a new sig dip thanks. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
No , and I said the opposite of him sherlock.
You are very observant lmao.
1. False, people download music from nonfamous people all the time. Not everyone who makes good music is famous fyi. Shouldnt take a lot of cognitive functioning to realize that fact.
2. NO FVCKING . Is there an echo I know why he said it, it still doesnt mean that JUST BECAUSE he SAID IT that its the right/smart thing to do. There are smarter ways to promote music then torrenting your own music. Its actually pretty fvckn retarded an idea if you ask me.
3. "If torrents weren't " blah blah blah your not fvckn psychic & noone cares about your worldy predictions. If my got struck by lightning tommorow that would increase sales of music too, seriously. You are a generalizing mess who most likely doesnt know a single g/damn thing about the business of music. Cause yeh, lets all put our music on torrents to promote ourselves.
I think I just found a new sig dip thanks. |
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it's difficult to explain it in terms you could understand... poor me having to deal with this stuff :(
1: if you were having people download your music you would be considered famous since someone other than yourself liked you... but you don't, so your not.
2: it's because what he said makes sense that it's right, not JUST BECAUSE HE SAID IT. he's not a complete retard and knows how things are: you are a small-minded peasant who has dicsovered the interenet, but not the realitites of life.
oh, and nobody did ask you.
3. how the can you say bull like "torrents suck if you ask me" THEN in the next sentence say "your not fvckn psychic & noone cares about your worldy predictions"??
seriously, how can someone like you live, when you are clearly the most delusional person alive...? constantly contradicting yourself and making yourself look stupid...
i'm pretty sure everybody in the world knows more about the music industry than you, and if you can't realise that the marketplace is in a state of flux, and needs to adapt, not sit stuck in an anacronistic muddle, then there's no point talking to you.
read this, which i already posted.
http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html
the point is that the most valuable thing for an EDM producer is not money from sales (which are always going to be nearly nothing), but money from gigs etc, which you GET from having your name widely heard through productions...
what kind of retard would care bout losing 8 cents when it could mean a $5000 gig?? :conf: |
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| RichieV |
| some people don't want to perform so for them, those 8 cents add up and it might mean eating or not eating. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
some people don't want to perform so for them, those 8 cents add up and it might mean eating or not eating. |
the point made though was that that is completely silly.
if you believe you can make a living off of edm music sales alone you are dreaming.
ask anybody who has existed in the industry and they will tell you the same.
you can make a living thru other avenues opened by music sales (promotion, maybe even sponsorships, run a label etc), but not from music sales alone.
and lol dinner from the 8c :stongue:
if somebody is really just a producer who thinks they can make a living off of it they're gonna be very sad very soon..
ask someone like cryo- he's a great producer, and not interested in djing etc, but he also has other forms of income because he knows that it's not feasible to make cash just from making (even great) tunes... |
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| Fledz |
Unfortunately that is true. The age old saying of "adapt or die" is very appropriate when it comes to EDM.
You can sit there all day and whinge about not making enough money off production and not wanting to DJ, but you have no choice. You either do what you can or you won't succeed.
Oh and it's not just the marketplace that's in a flux, life is in a flux. You shape yourself and those around you to best fit the current situation, age, location and so on. The most succesful people are those that can look at maximising potential and make hard and quick decisions. |
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| RichieV |
i think EDM is suffering the most because they have restricted the potential fan base to only djs. EDM labels are almost as dumb as old fashioned labels. MP3 sales are increasing every year and I don't think EDM is so esoteric that nobody listens to it. People just don't know how to market it.
also the ratio needs to be controlled. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
This is all deep and wonderful and heartwarming.
But the fact remains its still just your opinion. And your opinion is no better then anyone elses.
Mostly, dismissing other peoples opinions as "retarded" only proves you are egocentric and most likely arrogant, NOT correct.
Lets not forget some basic facts of life before you decide to write a book next time you respond. |
No it's actually fact based on years and years of evidence. Evidence that is commonplace but you fail to see the logic in. You were the only person who had any problem with what I wrote. There are lots of opinionated people on this board and I have debated/argued/hypothesized with a very large % of everyone on here.
There are very few cancers on this board but you are one of them. I think the list these days goes like this...
1A-Kismet7
1B-DJ Robby Rox
2-Cronodevir
It's a sad day in the world when Cron is not the most irritating and unintelligent troll on a forum LOL. keep working though another thread like your FL one and you'll have first place all to yourself! |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
some people don't want to perform so for them, those 8 cents add up and it might mean eating or not eating. |
You see there is a problem with this rationale. As already stated even a completely blind moron knows going in that this is not the age any longer of musicians getting rich unless you are one of the top 5-10 artists in your given genre.
If someone is trying to live off of production alone they will soon live in a cardboard box under a bridge. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by Fledz
Unfortunately that is true. The age old saying of "adapt or die" is very appropriate when it comes to EDM.
You can sit there all day and whinge about not making enough money off production and not wanting to DJ, but you have no choice. You either do what you can or you won't succeed.
Oh and it's not just the marketplace that's in a flux, life is in a flux. You shape yourself and those around you to best fit the current situation, age, location and so on. The most succesful people are those that can look at maximising potential and make hard and quick decisions. |
It's actually quite simple to reach the top you just look at who currently resides there; do the opposite of everything they do, and have a good knowledge of promotion and a fanatical confidence in reaching your goal and proving everyone who said you couldn't wrong. |
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| Nightshift |
| That being said, my cardboard box has better room acoustics than ANY studio you'll ever visit. |
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