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how do you feel about people pirating your music? (pg. 7)
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| wrzonance |
One of those threads... that has devolved into this:
Here's the bottom line...
Ready...?
Know what this is?
She let it ALL out of the box.
Yeah. You're ed. And there is....
NOTHING
YOU
CAN
DO
ABOUT IT
SO FORGET your feelings. Feelings have nothing to do with it. You shouldn't EVER EVER EVER get upset about what you CAN'T control.
People are starving, dying, getting raped, hurting --- all around the world. If even one of those things made me upset I'd be a wreck! (I already am!)
So yeah... let me finish this bottle of wine... and I'll articulate further. |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
Important to what? Making money and getting famous? I wouldn't disagree with that at all. Of course, all those things are irrelevant to the quality of the music itself, which has been my concern this whole time. |
Important to getting their product heard and spreading the artists name. It doesn't matter if in this case his music is or if it was some baller with great tracks; promotion and marketing is THE single most important aspect of being a musician in this day and age.
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
But music is a "business," after all, who cares about the art?
Those old goals of exploring musical ideas and adding something new and interesting to the world of music are so hackneyed. To heck with those idealistic types. Let us get on with the business of making ourselves more famous and getting better DJ gigs with our factory-stamped bundles of cliches we call "tracks." |
There is no art if people aren't hearing what you make!!! I'm sorry I understand there are people who produce just as a hobby to kill time. Me personally I want to get my thoughts across to people. If i'm not reaching anyone then why the continue? |
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| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
You're promoting torrent sites and torrenting? GTFO! You do realize this is a music forum right? You also realize you just admitted to several crimes and if anyone wanted to here they have your ip address and could file a claim against you and potentially have you arrested, correct?
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Just a quick heads up. He didn't admit to downloading or using anything from those sites. And even if he did, he didn't specify any content. There is plenty of stuff on torrents that is free.
Also, you cannot be arrested for file sharing unless you're making physical copies of movies and selling them.
File sharing is not a criminal offense, however; companies can and have successfully won lawsuits against file sharers. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
...promotion and marketing is THE single most important aspect of being a musician in this day and age. |
I disagree.
I would say that making great music is the single most important part of being a musician. Of course, that may not make you the most money or get you the best gigs. But those things are not ultimately what being a musician is about, after all. |
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| MrJiveBoJingles |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
I'm sorry I understand there are people who produce just as a hobby to kill time. |
This is a very strange way of putting the issue.
If someone wants to concentrate on music rather than marketing, this does not imply that he produces just to "kill time." Now that we have the Internet, it is easy enough to find ten or twenty people who will listen to your music, and not terribly hard to even find a few who will enjoy it, as long as it is not completely awful. The real question is to what degree people are willing to put a straitjacket on their own artistic instincts and their own sense of what is musically interesting for the sake of gaining a wider audience. |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
This is a very strange way of putting the issue.
If someone wants to concentrate on music rather than marketing, this does not imply that he produces just to "kill time." Now that we have the Internet, it is easy enough to find ten or twenty people who will listen to your music, and not terribly hard to even find a few who will enjoy it, as long as it is not completely awful. The real question is to what degree people are willing to put a straitjacket on their own artistic instincts and their own sense of what is musically interesting for the sake of gaining a wider audience. |
i agree with jbj here.. that's why every second producer wants to know how to copy X's presets, instead of figuring out synthesis and creating something new.. if you need proof just look at this board :p
i think music is definitely more of a business than a concern for originality or quality as well.
it's horrible, but true. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
You're promoting torrent sites and torrenting? GTFO! You do realize this is a music forum right? You also realize you just admitted to several crimes and if anyone wanted to here they have your ip address and could file a claim against you and potentially have you arrested, correct?
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Spare me, wtf are you the pope? I'm sure you go out of your way everyday to do the speed limit and not run red lights but Im just the kinda guy that likes living on the edge what can I say?
I get a real rush stealing peoples music knowing any second the cops might break my door down, lmao.
Seriously, get a life, name more the 2 cases where someone actually got arrested for stealing music. You appear to be more concerned about this issue then our governement. Really, wow, what a noble person you must be. True "hero" in all respects.
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You're disgusting. It doesn't matter how much time and work they put into their music? You don't have the slightest amount of guilt over stealing from someone? |
No, cause I'm not stealing it, I'm just listening to it. And I usually give it right back I promise.
Why don't you go pick on guys like Egos who equate downloading torrents to helping an arist promote their music? Hes essentially promoting a mass movement of future torrenters, but you sit here and have the audacity to single me out. How about this? EAT ME you perfect bastard.
Is that "disgusting" enough for yah? |
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| Fledz |
Copying sounds you like and experimenting with presets is an integral part of learning to produce though so it shouldn't be looked down upon.
The problem arises when you're at a level where you can release tracks but you haven't developed your own sound, rather you're still copying other sounds and relying mainly on presets. |
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| DJ Robby Rox |
| quote: | Originally posted by EgosXII
i agree with jbj here.. that's why every second producer wants to know how to copy X's presets, instead of figuring out synthesis and creating something new.. if you need proof just look at this board :p
i think music is definitely more of a business than a concern for originality or quality as well.
it's horrible, but true. |
Yeh your right. Thats why every "second" baseball player shouldnt learn how to swing a bat. Right? wtf.
What do you expect every second producer should do? Not learn from models of reality ("copy x presets")? Should they just imagine all this into their tracks?
Maybe artists in our society simply cant meet the "quality" demands of people like you? I think our music is fine, I think the "quality" of your attitude is poor.
You are essentially implying that everyone else involved in music should focus on quality more to make you happy? Right? |
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| pozz |
| im good with it, its prolly the only way my stuff would ever get out to a larger crowd. + it feels good to break the law:toothless |
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| EgosXII |
| quote: | Originally posted by DJ Robby Rox
Yeh your right. Thats why every "second" baseball player shouldnt learn how to swing a bat. Right? wtf.
What do you expect every second producer should do? Not learn from models of reality ("copy x presets")? Should they just imagine all this into their tracks?
Maybe artists in our society simply cant meet the "quality" demands of people like you? I think our music is fine, I think the "quality" of your attitude is poor.
You are essentially implying that everyone else involved in music should focus on quality more to make you happy? Right? |
hahahaa |
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| mfitterer1 |
| quote: | Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
I disagree.
I would say that making great music is the single most important part of being a musician. Of course, that may not make you the most money or get you the best gigs. But those things are not ultimately what being a musician is about, after all. |
If nobody hears it then how are you to know how to improve it? If you don't know how to find the right people you can't get their opinions on it; which means you're stagnating. |
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