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how do you feel about people pirating your music? (pg. 3)
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| SDM |
its better that people get my music for free that not at all, but under controlled environment, like free downloads from my own page where i can have control over the number of downloads and soundquality on the file, id3-tag etc etc.
With filesharing you have no control at all, people might have ripped the track from a set at 128kbps, mislabeled it and all kinds of . To me its better that people dont have my music at all than have it without me being in control of it.
I dont want my tracks on torrents and dc++, but im more than happy to give it away for free here on TA or directly on my website if that results more people listening to it. And at the same time have it on commercial online shops for the people that actually have no problems paying for their music. Some people dont consider free music as real music at all so its better be on shops too.
Thing is to have it everywhere, send it to movie companies, they might wanna use it in a movie. Or a videogame. As long as you have control, which u dont with piracy.
edit: uploading on torrentz yourself was a great idea, lol why havent i thought of that, that way u still have the control over whats out there. im no pr genius obviously. |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by mfitterer1
Anyone who actually says they care about how much money they make from producing better be dj'ing as well.
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Or performing - some musicians still know how to do that. :p And, in my experience, there's a lot more money to made performing live than there is in DJing or producing. But, yeah, I agree with pretty much everything you wrote; however, I think it's important to remember that many of us are musicians, not DJs. |
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by SDM
With filesharing you have no control at all, people might have ripped the track from a set at 128kbps, mislabeled it and all kinds of . |
Heh, actually...
The very first time my stuff got "ripped" the people responsible did not only claim the files to be CD rips (although they were encoded by myself from the master files and uploaded on my public server for anyone to get) but they also got the track titles the wrong way around too, despite the fact that I'd already tagged the files correctly.
I never did understand how anyone could be so incompetent. |
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| justjabbin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
What's the point of what?
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I wouldn't really mind anyone "pirating" my stuff as long as nobody made profit off it.
The other group of downloaders are the 1337 scenesters who wouldn't buy the music anyway as they just want the latest stuff no matter what it is so it's not really a loss either. |
Well if its DJs playing your stuff at gigs and its pirated and they get paid to play....
Id like to clarify, that I have mixed feelings...when I said "upset" I don't mean punching holes in walls or anything just at first I thought it was so cool that people liked it enough to steal it but one the other hand when you realize how much work went into it... so, again, my feelings are mixed. I realize illegal downloads are not going away its part of the interent these days...just wanted to open a discussion
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| Mr.Mystery |
| quote: | Originally posted by justjabbin
Well if its DJs playing your stuff at gigs and its pirated and they get paid to play....
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Yes, that's included in what I meant. I don't see why anyone would even want to do that - they could just ask me for a copy because they want to play it out and I'd probably give it to them. |
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| justjabbin |
| quote: | Originally posted by Mr.Mystery
Yes, that's included in what I meant. I don't see why anyone would even want to do that - they could just ask me for a copy because they want to play it out and I'd probably give it to them. |
I agree, Honestly I believe that many DJ's don't really think about it and dont really realize that they are stealing from you...espeically if they dont really produce or have had a track released, I just don't think they have really thought about it. |
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| cryophonik |
| How about this one - has anybody had someone email them and ask for a copy of a song that is signed to a label and available online? I've had people (presumably not DJs) email me on several occasions and ask me to send them a copy of one of my signed songs. That always seems a little awkward to me because, one hand, they were polite enough to ask and not just download it illegally, but on the other hand, it seems a bit odd that someone would ask an artist to give away his hard work and in doing so, short himself, his label, and possibly remixers, the proceeds from the sale. I usually just reply that it's available on iTunes, Beatport, etc. for less than $2, but part of me just wants to say "If you don't want to make my label $2 richer (I doubt I'll ever see my share of that anyway), then just Google it and you'll find it for free." |
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| DjStephenWiley |
At first, I was furious, but then I had to take a step back and just get over it. I try to not worry about things I cannot control, so I really don't care at this point. The artist(s) know what they're getting into before they start projects these days, and the same goes for the labels and everyone else involved. Has it ran off droves of talented producers? You bet. Everybody from the late 90's is pretty much gone because of it. I tried so hard to get Oliver Lieb to work with me and offered him what I thought to be a very, very fair amount of money. He laughed and said that was 10% of a single vinyl release years ago (and that's not adjusted for inflation)
What does piss me off is my releases being leaked before they are supposed to be released. In particular, TasteXperience's Hydewood was my biggest project to date and was leaked on October 9th with a release date of October 20th. Now THAT pissed me off. I talked to some people as this was the first time I had dealt with it. The first thing that came to my mind was my promo list (obviously) but they said it happens more than people realize and it's usually little pricks who run small retailing sites. I know dancerecords.com was a front for releasing music because I busted them myself on a Perfecto release, notified Perfecto, and that was the end of that. (The company no longer exists.....go figure) - The person I spoke to controls over 10,000 tracks so I would say he has a slight idea of what he's doing. (Been around since the late 80's, too) and he said it was most likely one of the distributors that Label-Worx is floating music to for sales. I'm going to revamp my promo list and take off in particular one person who I suspect might have done it for "revenge" purposes and have a talk with Label-Worx and possibly have some of the smaller distributors removed. They just are not worth it because they sell so little and risk so much. Believe it or not, but iTunes does a shocking 75% of all EDM sales. I had no idea and was shocked when told this (same person as referenced above) and this person controls the type of music that I put out. He's just got a catalogue about 15 years thicker than mine and ran one of the most respected Trance labels in history (still is) when Vinyl was king.
Sorry to go off topic. Sharing after a package is released, I can get over it. Something I put so much work and money into getting shared before people have a chance to buy it.....not cool. If they only knew (I doubt they would care) how much time effort and money went into things like this they *might* feel pretty bad about it.
Quick point though. If these share networks, blogs, whatever the hell they are were not in place, I wouldn't be dealing with a leaked release. So even though I can get over a package that's already been released getting shared, it still infuriates me that so many of these places exist and have no conscious. |
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| DjStephenWiley |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
How about this one - has anybody had someone email them and ask for a copy of a song that is signed to a label and available online? I've had people (presumably not DJs) email me on several occasions and ask me to send them a copy of one of my signed songs. That always seems a little awkward to me because, one hand, they were polite enough to ask and not just download it illegally, but on the other hand, it seems a bit odd that someone would ask an artist to give away his hard work and in doing so, short himself, his label, and possibly remixers, the proceeds from the sale. I usually just reply that it's available on iTunes, Beatport, etc. for less than $2, but part of me just wants to say "If you don't want to make my label $2 richer (I doubt I'll ever see my share of that anyway), then just Google it and you'll find it for free." |
Yes I have cryo but it wasn't for one of my songs it was a song i had the rights too. Have only had this particular thing happen once (yes it seemed odd) and it involved a track that wasn't on share networks yet so I understood why he emailed me. It was actually quite a lengthy email so I sent him the entire release and told him to enjoy it. Hopefully he'll buy some music in the future??
As for getting asked to be on the promo list or give unreleased tunes out, it happens a lot and the answer is always no unless the person works with my label. I have a close friend who I will not even be on the promo list or get the tracks. It sounds dumb, because he gets the releases on the day of the release, but think of it more as a hard fast rule. Only my artists have access to them and people I choose, period. There are several reasons for this. One is I want to do whatever I can for my artists, and another is a track is devalued quite a bit when it comes up in a google search under some no name DJ. Can this happen with my artists? Yes it can, but the chances are lower. It's more important than you think too. I sent over 20+ unreleased tracks to Andy Moor a while back for a compilation he was working on (it's out now) - It's extremely important that a track is as closely as guarded as possible because these types of opportunities exists more often than you think. I had an offer of 4 figures to buy out a track from a big, big name. I refused it for semantic releases (it was my first sign) but do you think that person would have wanted it for their compilation if it was already littered across the internet in DJ (enter all their names here) sets. It's the main reason I keep my promo list so small. That and of course for fear of file sharing. |
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| RichieV |
| quote: | Originally posted by cryophonik
How about this one - has anybody had someone email them and ask for a copy of a song that is signed to a label and available online? I've had people (presumably not DJs) email me on several occasions and ask me to send them a copy of one of my signed songs. That always seems a little awkward to me because, one hand, they were polite enough to ask and not just download it illegally, but on the other hand, it seems a bit odd that someone would ask an artist to give away his hard work and in doing so, short himself, his label, and possibly remixers, the proceeds from the sale. I usually just reply that it's available on iTunes, Beatport, etc. for less than $2, but part of me just wants to say "If you don't want to make my label $2 richer (I doubt I'll ever see my share of that anyway), then just Google it and you'll find it for free." |
or you can send a link to your site that has lower quality downloads and an option to buy a higher quality version. If people want it for free, they will find it. it is always smart to give them the option to pay.And for the free version, maybe just have them sign up to a mailing list you can use for marketing.
I disagree with Stephen's approach. Your tracks will find their way online for free whether you like it or not. I think it is much better to have control of the free material and at least use it as seeds for future financial opportunities. Have a free download at 128 and another version to buy that has a little more incentive. Remix stems, art content .... |
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| cryophonik |
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
or you can send a link to your site that has lower quality downloads and an option to buy a higher quality version...it is always smart to give them the option to pay.And for the free version, maybe just have them sign up to a mailing list you can use for marketing. |
My contract explicitly prohibits this.
| quote: | Originally posted by RichieV
If people want it for free, they will find it. |
Yup. |
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| orTofønChiLd |
| quote: | Originally posted by echosystm
If I was famous, I would upload my own music to torrent sites. You earn all money from music sales, so you might as well just use it as a tool to get your name out there and get gigs... and fangirl ass. |
i have to agree with echosystem, that fan girl ass is good |
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