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Anyone watching the Oscars 2nite? (pg. 12)
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| noikeee |
| quote: | Originally posted by Enigmatik
I need to see The Hurt Locker and District 9 soonish. |
Both are good movies but not Oscar-material in my opinion. I found The Hurt Locker to be entertaining but a bit one-dimensional with a plot that doesn't advance much, whereas District 9 seems GREAT at the beginning but then degenerates into a retarded aliens-are-good vs humans-are-bad action movie.
I'm yet to see Avatar but from what I've read around I suspect I wouldn't like it much. My favourite movie from this year (admittedly I've only seen like 6 or 7 so can't talk much!) was the Inglorious Basterds, and then Moon. |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Thats not the message I got from it at all. I think the true meaning of the film is the juxtaposition of what is normal one place and what is normal another place and that ones normal can seem so much more significant compared to the other. I think that was the main point of the story. The normal felt when he was doing his job as an EOD member was much more real and significant than the normal he had at "home" even though it was with his child and his wife. I really didn't take any sort of feeling of "struggle" away from it. Yes, there was struggle, but it was still part of the over all normality. For these guys death, destruction, and danger are normal, and taking them out of that is almost a surreal experience that they can't handle. Its not a struggle being there, its a struggle not being there because that is their life.
The phrase quoted at the start of the movie I think is what sets the tone over all. |
that may be what you took from the movie, but the fact that after watching it you think veterans aren't struggling with adjusting to civilian life after war only goes to highlight how unauthentic the movie is in representing their experience. it is a well-documented occurence that our vets are suffering from unprecedented instances of recurring nightmares, flashbacks, emotional hypersensitivity, and ptsd resulting in incidents of assault, domestic abuse, drug abuse, suicide, murder, etc. that is a reality the movie missed an opportunity to show while developing the sentational lead character as a cowboy adrenaline junkie. |
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| Joss Weatherby |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
that may be what you took from the movie, but the fact that after watching it you think veterans aren't struggling with adjusting to civilian life after war only goes to highlight how unauthentic the movie is in representing their experience. it is a well-documented occurence that our vets are suffering from unprecedented instances of recurring nightmares, flashbacks, emotional hypersensitivity, and ptsd resulting in incidents of assault, domestic abuse, drug abuse, suicide, murder, etc. that is a reality the movie missed an opportunity to show while developing the sentational lead character as a cowboy adrenaline junkie. |
A movie doesnt have to represent the whole range of situations or even the most common one. I know people that are like the main character of this movie, I mean not to the same degree, thats obviously fictional, but I do know people that are like that.
That is not to disregard the suffering that a majority do seem to face though. |
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| jupiterone |
| watched hurt locker for the first time tonight. definitely deserved the win imo. the character chemistry alone is enough for me to want to watch it over and over |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
A movie doesnt have to represent the whole range of situations or even the most common one. I know people that are like the main character of this movie, I mean not to the same degree, thats obviously fictional, but I do know people that are like that.
That is not to disregard the suffering that a majority do seem to face though. |
the whole premise of the movie is "war is a drug". it's prefaced at the beginning and reinforced as the message you take away at the end. if you ask 1000 veterans if war is like a drug to them, i'm willing to bet you the vast majority will strongly disagree with you. from every account i've heard on the matter by actual iraq/afghanistan veterans, war is not a drug. at least not in the sense that you seek it out like a fiend. maybe in the sense of agonizing withdrawal symptoms, which the movie would have better served the troops by portraying. so by making it into a movie that touches upon the minority of soldiers who are addicted to the rush of war, this movie misses an opportunity to portray war as the hell it really is for the majority of these guys.
the hurt locker received critical acclaim for its authenticity, "authenticity". authentic maybe amongst hollywood film critics, but upon closer examination you find it is not very authentic at all. the entire role of eod is misrepresented from the very beginning. eod travels in the middle of convoys, not in solitary patrols. they ride in buffalo anti-mine vehicles, not humvees. they don't clear unsecured buildings, they have them cleared by infantry. they don't show up to unsecured sites, nor do army infantry hide like cowards in a courtyard waiting for them to show up. the movie also had soldiers wearing the wrong uniform, practicing poor tactics, and officers wearing the wrong rank on their uniforms. if the producers had collaborated with any military experts on the set, most of these errors would have been easily caught and fixed. if they wanted to tell a real soldier's story, all they had to do was ask a vet how accurate theirs was. what i see is a film that was made without any respect or attention to detail paid towards authenticity, and yet it was lauded by the industry as a gritty, real look at war in iraq.
if you want to know just how off the mark this movie was, read the book "they fought for each other". war is not a drug according to this platoon hardest hit by insurgents and ieds.
i wouldn't have a problem with the academy's choice if they outright said the hurt locker won because it was thrilling and sensational, but authentic? give me a break... |
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| Joss Weatherby |
You're thick aren't you? Like I said movies do NOT have to represent the majority, or even a common view. This movie is obviously not about the common feeling. Also I seriously doubt that people that go into EOD are common soldiers. The job is insanity. Yes it is portrayed in a fairly unrealistic manner (their EOTECH sights were obvious fakes), but thats not the point of the movie either. It shows what I described above, that things can become normal even if they are so far removed from normality for "everyone else."
You are saying this movie is flawed because it doesn't represent the common view point, but it also doesn't represent a non-existent view point. There are people that find war addicting, and that is a fact. Look at the human appetite for it. Its insatiable. Just because the parts of the whole do not fit that description doesn't mean its false. |
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| R!CH |
no i said the movie is flawed because it is not an authentic portrayal of the war or the profession. it won critical acclaim for its authenticity and it is not authentic. get it? it's the equivalent of a movie portraying a fire fighter's job as running into a burning building with a squirt bottle, then having all the critics praise it for realism because the result of such action is a lot of drama and tension.
i think you're the one whose thick because my whole point about the minority perspective is that it does a huge disservice to the majority who are severely traumatized by what happened to them over there. in their acceptance of the award, the filmmakers were clearly trying to shed light on the real experience, and in that respect they failed. it's as if they took the chris hedges quote at the very beginning and made a movie to fit it rather than making a movie that fit the actual experience. |
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| Lews |
| I still don't get how you can argue Avatar was the better movie :wtf: |
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| DjWhooCares |
| quote: | Originally posted by boris_the_bear
Does-not-do-anal of the year |
ur still with the yukii jokes?
not having good material must suck ehh?
i didnt watch em, but i saw that one clip where this dude was "kanyed" by this old lady.. |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
I still don't get how you can argue Avatar was the better movie :wtf: |
it didn't suck as much as the others, a lot more time, effort, and attention to detail was put into making it, and on the whole it was much more accomplished as a project. hell they even had a renowned linguist come in and create a new language that was phonetically sound so as to be just as believable as everything else in the environment that they designed from scratch. also themes for me are a big thing. the hurt locker's themes were absolutely absurd. |
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| stren |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
no i said the movie is flawed because it is not an authentic portrayal of the war or the profession. it won critical acclaim for its authenticity and it is not authentic. get it? it's the equivalent of a movie portraying a fire fighter's job as running into a burning building with a squirt bottle, then having all the critics praise it for realism because the result of such action is a lot of drama and tension.
i think you're the one whose thick because my whole point about the minority perspective is that it does a huge disservice to the majority who are severely traumatized by what happened to them over there. in their acceptance of the award, the filmmakers were clearly trying to shed light on the real experience, and in that respect they failed. it's as if they took the chris hedges quote at the very beginning and made a movie to fit it rather than making a movie that fit the actual experience. |
so are you speaking from experience of being in a bomb squad ? |
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| Dj Minaya |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
it didn't suck as much as the others, a lot more time, effort, and attention to detail was put into making it, and on the whole it was much more accomplished as a project. hell they even had a renowned linguist come in and create a new language that was phonetically sound so as to be just as believable as everything else in the environment that they designed from scratch. also themes for me are a big thing. the hurt locker's themes were absolutely absurd. |
And all that time and effort was awarded properly.
It just had a severely weak and predictable story which completely crippled the film from being a great movie. |
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