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Anyone watching the Oscars 2nite? (pg. 8)
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| Lilith |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
Lews: Based on your tree-huggerness:
Do you think that the following is a bad thing to teach children:
Mining and deforestation are bad for the environment, and have unforeseen issues. |
RUN!
He's got a loaded question... oh too late |
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| bas |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
(3) it raised global awareness for displacement of indigenous populations, the destructive nature of resource extraction, the corrosive effect of wealth and power on people, the inadequacies of a single-bottom line approach to business, a greater appreciation for the natural world, environmental stewardship, mutual respect, etc, |
Oh please that's such a reach :stongue:
Avatar won every award it deserved: art direction, visual effects and cinematography. Nothing released in the past year came close (poor District 9 lol) |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lews
I would say that's a good thing to teach little kids o.o |
I agree. Thankfully, there were no references or undertones regarding this, in Avatar. |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Technically labled "mercenaries" but they were referred to as Marines several times in the movie. Who's military has Marines? Ours. Who openly despises them? Left wing nutjobs like James Cameron. Believe me, it was no coincidence that all those Marines were portrayed as bloodthirsty ignorant rednecks... mowing down everything in their path while screaming "GIT SUM! GIT SUM!" and anxiously waiting for their next chance to be part of another atrocity. He also used the phrase "Shock and Awe" as the name of the military campaign against the natives... the same term Bush used for Iraq. Oh, and of course they were hired by an evil uber greedy corporation who's CEO, also not coincidentally, repeatedly said, "All we care about is the bottom line/quarterly stock report." James Cameron made outlandish characatures of both military personnel and corporate CEO's.
lol... but spare me the "mother earth is getting raped by the evils of the human virus" speech.
And, there were no cliche's in Avatar? Really? Who's eyes aren't opened?
1) Getting lost in a crazy jungle only to be rescued by a beautiful woman, who herself is a cliche of a tough no-nonsense independant woman.
2) Does she happen to be the chief's daughter? Check!
3) At first, does the tribe not trust him and want to kill him, only to have the woman intervene and wisely explain that it's their custom to take in strangers of their own? Check!
4) Is Sully then exposed to the native culture and put through a series of tests to prove his worthiness? Check!
5) Does Sully eventually becomes their strongest warrior and lead their tribe to victory over the evildoers? Check!
6) Do Sully and the woman fall in love with each other in the end? Double check!
You gotta stop hugging that tree long enough to pick up on those things, bra. |
you are a completely polarized idiot. try listening to cameron's interview on npr where he talks about his utmost respect for his marine friends and why he chose to use a marine for his protagonist.
i never said avatar didn't have cliches so good job wasting your time pointing them out for no reason. my entire point was hurt locker itself was a cliche so that argument is irrelevant.
at best you can say "shock and awe" is a commentary on that moron president bush we had, at best you can summarize giovanni ribisi's quote as commentary towards the deficiencies of the modern corporate model of serving the bottom line of one group of stakeholders only. at best you are an unending stream of specious presumptions. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by R!CH
i thought it did a couple of things well: (1) it achieved a new milestone in technical innovation in the industry and put in place the parts necessary for the next generation of cinema, (2) it reached an uncommon level of mass appeal around the world communicating a noble message, (3) it raised global awareness for displacement of indigenous populations, the destructive nature of resource extraction, the corrosive effect of wealth and power on people, the inadequacies of a single-bottom line approach to business, a greater appreciation for the natural world, environmental stewardship, mutual respect, etc, (4) it packaged these important themes in a visually stunning package that for us spoiled americans may not seem special, but to millions in other parts of the world are truly awe-inspiring and thus memorable and lasting.
for these reasons i think avatar is a clear winner. it's not because of the acting or the originality or how appealing it is to me personally, but because of the ripples it sends around the world as the highest grossing film of all time. it is all the more impressive that cameron topped his previous mark of titanic by creating something that delivers more message along with it. this is how attitudes are changed over time, by bringing visibility to the matter in ways that are not so bleak and depressing. |
Thats all true, but I just think that there is no reason to dumb things down the way Cameron did, from the score to the writing to the plot. Halfway through I was laughing out loud at how stupid it was. The movie, to me, could have had a much more profound impact if it was done more tastefully.
I also take issue with the fact that people are learning about those issues via a blockbuster sci-fi movie set hundreds of years in the future. Anyone who bothered to pick up a history book could have untold numbers of real world examples throughout the entire course of human history. that same is happening RIGHT NOW all over the world. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Lilith
RUN!
He's got a loaded question... oh too late |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Anyone who bothered |
There's the problem, though. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by The17sss
Technically labled "mercenaries" but they were referred to as Marines several times in the movie. Who's military has Marines? Ours. Who openly despises them? Left wing nutjobs like James Cameron. Believe me, it was no coincidence that all those Marines were portrayed as bloodthirsty ignorant rednecks... mowing down everything in their path while screaming "GIT SUM! GIT SUM!" and anxiously waiting for their next chance to be part of another atrocity. He also used the phrase "Shock and Awe" as the name of the military campaign against the natives... the same term Bush used for Iraq. Oh, and of course they were hired by an evil uber greedy corporation who's CEO, also not coincidentally, repeatedly said, "All we care about is the bottom line/quarterly stock report." James Cameron made outlandish characatures of both military personnel and corporate CEO's.
lol... but spare me the "mother earth is getting raped by the evils of the human virus" speech.
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What exactly, of all that, is not an accurate reflection of today's real world? lol
Almost every large military in the world has Marines btw. |
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| Clovis |
| quote: | Originally posted by Sushipunk
There's the problem, though. |
Yeah...what can you do. |
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| Sushipunk |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Yeah...what can you do. |
Well, if you have a story, and a massive amount of capital, you make a film about it, like Avatar. And you make sure it appeals to the widest audience possible, like Avatar.
What I'd like to see, though, is James Cameron putting a good portion of that ASSLOAD of money into the environmental areas that made him all that cash. |
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| R!CH |
| quote: | Originally posted by Clovis
Thats all true, but I just think that there is no reason to dumb things down the way Cameron did, from the score to the writing to the plot. Halfway through I was laughing out loud at how stupid it was. The movie, to me, could have had a much more profound impact if it was done more tastefully.
I also take issue with the fact that people are learning about those issues via a blockbuster sci-fi movie set hundreds of years in the future. Anyone who bothered to pick up a history book could have untold numbers of real world examples throughout the entire course of human history. that same is happening RIGHT NOW all over the world. |
yes but how do you relate that point of view to k-12 kids in a way that they care to listen to? you can throw history books at them all day, but most people in the world don't care to absorb that knowledge in that way. there are also many places in the world, our state included, where k-12 education is severely dilapidated. schools get funding for good math/english test scores, not for injecting these issues into the curriculum. it is a sad state of affairs, but movies are in many cases the best/easiest way to reach people on big and complex issues like this. like i said, i don't think this movie was made to target you and i. i didn't find it to be particularly profound, revealing or entertaining, but just think about the kids watching it in brasil, india and china--3 nations with astronomic economic and population growth where these issues are front and center. that's where this movie makes the difference. cameron has stated that repeatedly in interviews as an overarching theme and cites deforestation in brasil, dam-building in china, and bauxite mining in india as current examples he wishes to reach people on. i'm not trying to overstate the significance of this movie, but just compare all that to the other nominees in the category and what they've sought to achieve. |
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| stren |
Avatar got the technical categories, good. The biggest surprise is the Hurt locker, it was good, but was it really the best picture ?
Jeff Bridges ftw! |
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